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Old May 13th 05, 10:47 PM
Richie
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I think this issue has been discuss at nauseum on many different forums.
There does not seem to be any conscensus that lower frequency is better
inside buildings because carriers can building their networks to compensate
in many ways. The quality of the infrastructure is key.

Personally, in San Diego, I'm much happier with 850MHz. I asked Cingular to
set my phone to prefer the AT&T network and I now have super coverage at my
home and my friend's home. The coverage there was terrible before. Just my
personal observation.


"BruceR" wrote in message
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Can you tell me more about why 1900 is markedly inferior to 800? Is that
because the longer wavelength will have better building penetration or is
there something else/more? Not challenging you on this - just wanting to
learn more. I have TMo now and can use my v3 in the elevator of my office
building which is a 25 story granite clad building. That being said, it
wouldn't surprise me if one of the many antennas on the building was a TMo
site.

From:Steven M. Scharf


wrote in message
oups.com...
Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and
AT&T merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network
sharing deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV
networks to T-Mobile, until recently.


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The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is
now at 800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900 Mhz
network is markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada
network). The merger with AT&T really helped Cingular's California
customers who wanted to use their phones inside big buildings. Of
course you have to get a dual band phone to take advantage of this,
and there are still a lot of Californians with older 1900 Mhz only
phones, that don't realize that if they'd change handsets that they'd
be much better off.





  #22  
Old May 14th 05, 02:03 AM
Mike Schumann
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Lower frequencies have better penetration thru and around obstacles.

Mike Schumann

"BruceR" wrote in message
...
Can you tell me more about why 1900 is markedly inferior to 800? Is that
because the longer wavelength will have better building penetration or is
there something else/more? Not challenging you on this - just wanting to
learn more. I have TMo now and can use my v3 in the elevator of my office
building which is a 25 story granite clad building. That being said, it
wouldn't surprise me if one of the many antennas on the building was a TMo
site.

From:Steven M. Scharf


wrote in message
oups.com...
Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and
AT&T merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network
sharing deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV
networks to T-Mobile, until recently.


snip

The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is
now at 800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900 Mhz
network is markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada
network). The merger with AT&T really helped Cingular's California
customers who wanted to use their phones inside big buildings. Of
course you have to get a dual band phone to take advantage of this,
and there are still a lot of Californians with older 1900 Mhz only
phones, that don't realize that if they'd change handsets that they'd
be much better off.





  #23  
Old May 14th 05, 04:35 AM
BruceR
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OK, thanks, that's what I thought you meant. While, all things being
equal, that's true, I'm not sure if that translates to markedly better
service in a given location. Properly engineered, which might mean more
towers and/or more power, I think that performance can show up as equal
for a given coverage area. In any case, I'm glad I have a quad band
phone!

From:Mike Schumann


Lower frequencies have better penetration thru and around obstacles.

Mike Schumann

"BruceR" wrote in message
...
Can you tell me more about why 1900 is markedly inferior to 800? Is
that because the longer wavelength will have better building
penetration or is there something else/more? Not challenging you on
this - just wanting to learn more. I have TMo now and can use my v3
in the elevator of my office building which is a 25 story granite
clad building. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if one of
the many antennas on the building was a TMo site.

From:Steven M. Scharf


wrote in message
oups.com...
Being away from the US for sometime, I was aware that Cingular and
AT&T merged but I wasn't aware that Cingular & T-Mobiles' network
sharing deal ended and that Cingular actually sold their CA & NV
networks to T-Mobile, until recently.

snip

The big advantage to Cingular is that most of their GSM network is
now at 800 Mhz (or they have both 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz). The 1900
Mhz network is markedly inferior (i.e. their old California/Nevada
network). The merger with AT&T really helped Cingular's California
customers who wanted to use their phones inside big buildings. Of
course you have to get a dual band phone to take advantage of this,
and there are still a lot of Californians with older 1900 Mhz only
phones, that don't realize that if they'd change handsets that
they'd be much better off.



  #24  
Old May 14th 05, 09:47 AM
John Richards
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"Richie" wrote in message m...
I think this issue has been discuss at nauseum on many different forums.
There does not seem to be any conscensus that lower frequency is better
inside buildings because carriers can building their networks to compensate
in many ways. The quality of the infrastructure is key.


Sure there is a consensus. Ask any RF engineer, and he will tell you that,
all other things being equal, a longer wavelength will penetrate buildings
and foliage better than shorter wavelength RF. Yes, there are expensive
ways to attempt to compensate for it (more tower sites, repeaters inside
buildings, etc.) but that doesn't refute the basic premise.

--
John Richards
  #25  
Old May 15th 05, 03:08 AM
Danska
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"Michael" wrote in message
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"Richie" wrote in message
om...
I have a family plan and I need to call outside of my region (California
and Nevada). If i were on T-Mobile, i'd have to use a calling card at
additional cost. That plan does not quite fit me, but it's a great plan.


Here in Oregon they have a Get More Promo 1000 :45.99
1000 minutes UNlimited weekend-weeknights Free domestic long distance
No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.






That's the one im on. It's pretty sweet.


  #26  
Old May 15th 05, 04:53 AM
Mike Schumann
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What's even sweeter is if you are grandfathered in on the old 29 cents /
minute international roaming rates to Europe.

Mike Schumann

"Danska" wrote in message
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"Michael" wrote in message
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"Richie" wrote in message
om...
I have a family plan and I need to call outside of my region (California
and Nevada). If i were on T-Mobile, i'd have to use a calling card at
additional cost. That plan does not quite fit me, but it's a great
plan.


Here in Oregon they have a Get More Promo 1000 :45.99
1000 minutes UNlimited weekend-weeknights Free domestic long distance
No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.






That's the one im on. It's pretty sweet.



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Old May 18th 05, 10:11 PM
Michael
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"Danska" wrote in message
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"Michael" wrote in message
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Here in Oregon they have a Get More Promo 1000 :45.99
1000 minutes UNlimited weekend-weeknights Free domestic long distance
No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.






That's the one im on. It's pretty sweet.


That is a very nice service ....I jumped on the 39.99 600 minutes
UNlimited THREE DAY Weekend (FRIDAY,Sat,Sun) UNlimited weeknights
Free domestic long distance No digital roaming charges anywhere across the USA.

They shut this one down after about a month but I snagged it, I had been
grandfathered for about 3 years (Voicesteam) but couldn't pass that plan up.

Michael in Oregon



  #28  
Old May 20th 05, 08:31 AM
MS
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wrote in message
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I don't have service yet with
either carrier so I just want to see if there is any real reason to
consider T-Mobile - and if so, WHY?


Did you not look at prices of monthly plans, and what you get for them?

With T-Mobile (California) for $39.99 monthly I get 1000 anytime minutes,
unlimited weekends, free long distance, no roaming charges, etc. Through a
$2.99 monthly T-Zones add-on I get Internet connectivity.

Could you get a rate anywhere near as good as that for that service level
from Cingular?


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Old May 20th 05, 02:44 PM
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 23:31:43 -0700, "MS" wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...

I don't have service yet with
either carrier so I just want to see if there is any real reason to
consider T-Mobile - and if so, WHY?


Did you not look at prices of monthly plans, and what you get for them?

With T-Mobile (California) for $39.99 monthly I get 1000 anytime minutes,
unlimited weekends, free long distance, no roaming charges, etc. Through a
$2.99 monthly T-Zones add-on I get Internet connectivity.

Could you get a rate anywhere near as good as that for that service level
from Cingular?


No but at least I have coverage with Cingular.
  #30  
Old May 20th 05, 05:24 PM
MS
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Could you get a rate anywhere near as good as that for that service level
from Cingular?


No but at least I have coverage with Cingular.


I don't understand that response. Please explain.

If you mean you have had trouble getting a signal with T-Mobile (were you
formerly a T-Mobile user?), that certainly is not the case with me. I have
got good reception with T-Mobile just about every place I have been with the
phone. I have never been on Cingular, so cannot compare, but the T-Mo
coverage is certainly much better than with my former carrier, Sprint. (It's
been a couple years since I have had Sprint though, I don't know if they
have improved since then.) As the OP wrote Cingular has been using T-Mobile
towers, and I think vice versa, so I don't know how their "coverage"would be
much different.

One thing I would grant an edge to Cingular in---phone selection! Cingular
has a much better selection of phones to choose from than T-Mobile,
including smartphones, RAZR, etc. T-Mobile has been pretty lame in the area
of phone selection. Of course though, one can always buy any unlocked GSM
phone, and use it on T-Mobile. (I just got fed up myself with waiting for
T-Mobile to offer a phone I'd like, and bought an SMT5600, had it unlocked,
and am using it on T-Mo.)


 




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