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Old December 24th 04, 06:47 PM
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In on Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:41:06 +0100, "Stevica
Kuharski" wrote:

R. P. wrote:
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Not just interesting but pretty accurate, for a change. Mobile
phone service is better even in Eastern Europe than here in the US.


It's certainly been accurate in the past, but times have changed, and the US
has largely caught up with the rest of the world in cellular. The real
remaining difference is that US subscribers are mostly interested in voice
calls (imagine that), whereas the rest of the world is heavily into text
messaging and other non-voice services, chiefly as a result of different
pricing structures.

Yes, that's right. We have EDGE available in Croatia via VIPnet carrier, and
it's working pretty fine. If there would be flat rate of it, I'd take it
right away, no matter the cost 200 kbps suites my needs for the moment


GPRS is available on virtually all US cellular networks; EDGE is widely
deployed by Cingular-ATTWS; and UMTS (WCDMA) is available from Cingular+ATTWS
in a few major metro markets. The CDMA carriers (Verizon and Sprint-Nextel)
have deployed similar technology. And all carriers now interoperate well in
text messaging and other areas.

All in all, considering the much greater geographic area in the US as compared
to many other countries, cellular coverage is remarkably good.

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Old December 24th 04, 08:33 PM
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:29:47 GMT, "R. P."
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"Jer" wrote:
bumped into this today and thought it interesting...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/12/20/c....ap/index.html


Not just interesting but pretty accurate, for a change. Mobile phone
service is better even in Eastern Europe than here in the US.

R. P.


I've been to some third-world countries where the service is better.
:-(

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Old December 24th 04, 08:35 PM
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:49:02 -0600, Jer wrote:

LOL. Beyond their own borders, most westerners are so geographically
challenged they couldn't find their own hynie without a map. A big map.


Not true!
I can find my hynie without a map. sigh

GRIN
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Old December 24th 04, 08:37 PM
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:24:57 -0800, Joseph
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It's just amazing that Europeans don't bother to find out why North
America uses different frequencies and standards and just assume that
it's our "arrogance." And they're also the same ones to point out how
"superior" their mobile service is to the service in North America.
Ya know what? We really don't care! We're not going to change and
you can just get used to it.


There you go! Way to debunk that American's have an arrogant
attitude!


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Old December 24th 04, 08:42 PM
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"Eddie Walker" wrote:
if we would give boeing the same type of government back subsidies
that airbus has gotten
they could be selling their products at the same prices airbus does
and moving more product.
every airbus i have ever been on is cramped ( i guess the lower cost
per passgener by stuffing more people in the same amount of space).


That's true to some extent but does not explain everything. Airbus
has a decided edge in the fact that they use standardized cockpit
designs, allowing minimal cross-training for the pilots and it also has
been using fly-by-wire technology from the very beginning while Boeing
is getting into it just now. Of course they use better marketing, too.
As to the cramped planes, blame the airlines for that as they are
the ones who mandate the manufacturers to install maximum number of
seats in the economy sections.

R. P.

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Old December 24th 04, 09:36 PM
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In on Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:12:24
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... If you don't like Canada and the US no one's putting a gun to
your head to visit. We'd actually prefer that you stay away.


Speak for yourself.

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Old December 24th 04, 09:42 PM
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In on Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:33:44
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:29:47 GMT, "R. P."
wrote:

"Jer" wrote:
bumped into this today and thought it interesting...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/12/20/c....ap/index.html


Not just interesting but pretty accurate, for a change. Mobile phone
service is better even in Eastern Europe than here in the US.

R. P.


I've been to some third-world countries where the service is better.
:-(


But then they don't have our excellent wireline service.

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Old December 24th 04, 11:45 PM
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:48:32 -0500, "Eddie Walker"
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doesnt japan use NTSC standards as well?

australia too?

"Peter" wrote in message
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Ya know, it reminds me of the same thing what was going on inside Soviet
Union - different TV standard (SECAM vs PAL... now what is in US?),

If you're going to bring up SECAM you might first want to lay the
"different" claim on France first seeing as how the French developed
SECAM (Sequential Couleur Avec Memoir) even though the rest of Europe
(save for the former soviet satellites) opted for PAL (Phase Alternate
Line.)


I know SECAM comes from France originally. Methinks they still use it over
there. They do have influental socialist party (or used to have), and that
may have been the reason why Soviet Union opted for it. And yes, all
former
Soviet satellites have switched to PAL now. And AFAIK North America is the
only one using NTSC...

different FM radio frequency band (rings a bell, huh?),

Not in the US. The US uses the same band of 87.5 Mhz to 108 Mhz.
North America divides on the odd (e.g. 98.1 Mhz) rather than the even
but any normal receiver should work either in Europe or in North
America.


Band is the same, but many US receivers will only tune in to odd
frequencies
(like 90.1, 90.3 etc). De-emphasis (whatever that means) is different,
too.

Alters the audio response.
Most US FM radios will not be able to receive all radio stations in
Europe.
However all European FM radios will work just fine other side of the pond.

North America uses NTSC (National Television Standards Committee)
often referred to with derision by Europeans as Never Twice the Same
Colour.


Ahh, so it was developed by some National Television Standards Committee
(presumably in US) instead of adopting existing standards. I wonder what
was
their reasoning? From what I've seen on-screen NTSC is not superior to PAL
in any way (and vice versa).

You have the timing backward. NTSC predates both SECAM and PAL not by
a little, but a lot. I believe the Colour NTSC dates to 1954, the
Black and White version went on the air in New York City in 1939!

Colour television is on the air in North America before B&W was in
parts of Europe. It was the Euorpeans and the french who chose to
ignore the one existing colour televsision standard

What a nice discussion we have over here!

Peter




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Old December 25th 04, 12:39 AM
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matt weber wrote:


You have the timing backward. NTSC predates both SECAM and PAL not by
a little, but a lot. I believe the Colour NTSC dates to 1954, the
Black and White version went on the air in New York City in 1939!

Colour television is on the air in North America before B&W was in
parts of Europe. It was the Euorpeans and the french who chose to
ignore the one existing colour televsision standard


Dammit Matt, stop trying to confuse these people with the facts. If you
don't start behaving, I'm gonna list your toys on eBay.

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Old December 25th 04, 01:24 AM
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A little arrogant if you ask me. No wonder Americans aren't respected
very well compared to, Canadians, for instance



News flash! Canada is in North America and uses the same standards as
the US. If you don't like Canada and the US no one's putting a gun to
your head to visit. We'd actually prefer that you stay away.


I wasn't referring that it is inappropriate that Canada and the United
States use many of the same standards, including NTSC. I was referring
to the fact that many Americans have arrogant attitudes toward people
from other countries.

But, I'm pretty sure many areas, such as Florida, California, Nevada,
Arizona, just to name a few states, would LOVE to have tourists come,
especially for several months at a time.

 




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