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  #11  
Old October 3rd 03, 02:59 AM
Al Klein
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:27:47 GMT, "Phill." posted
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In article ,
Al Klein wrote:


I read it. Most people don't get close enough to a base station
antenna to receive any more radiation than they do with no base
station in the area. Remember the inverse square law.


Nice try. The study was conducted at the low levels people will receive.


Sorry, no. You're talking to someone trained as an RF engineer. The
"low levels" are a few orders of magnitude lower than the levels they
get from their handsets. They're lower than the radiation they get
from a standing under a ringing door bell.
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Old October 5th 03, 05:32 AM
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:20:35 GMT, "Phill." posted
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It used lower levels of radiation such as might be received from
a base station.


If you're a technician working on one, not if you're a civilian
walking down the street.
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Old October 7th 03, 07:03 AM
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I once ran the numbers... no way... cellular radiation is a few
orders of magnitude too small to break even among the weakest chemical
bonds in the human body... (much less cause DNA damage thus
cancer...) RF heating from the milliwatt levels of a handheld phone
is ridiculous as well...

I did some research for a psuedo-science project (actually a seminar
for physicists), and could not find a shred of credible evidence to
support ANY negative health effects caused by cell phones...

It's purely unfounded paranoia compounded by the media's idiotic
portrayals.. and as far as I can determine has already cost US tax
payers millions of research dollars. (If I remember correctly,
there's a department somewhere invetigating this and powerline
radiation. . . sheesh... idiots...)

That's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. grab a modern
physics textbook and a basic bio book... run the numbers... it'll
take like 3 min if you know what you're doing. convince yourself.


-Tom
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Old October 7th 03, 08:20 AM
Quark
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Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:27:47 GMT, "Phill." posted
in alt.cellular.verizon:


In article ,
Al Klein wrote:



I read it. Most people don't get close enough to a base station
antenna to receive any more radiation than they do with no base
station in the area. Remember the inverse square law.



Nice try. The study was conducted at the low levels people will receive.



Sorry, no. You're talking to someone trained as an RF engineer. The
"low levels" are a few orders of magnitude lower than the levels they
get from their handsets. They're lower than the radiation they get
from a standing under a ringing door bell.


Medical College of Wisconsin - General Clinical Research Center

http://www.mcw.edu/gcrc/cop.html

I found this site when selling my home. We had high tension wires in our
back yard. One lady actually asked me if anyone on our street had gotten
cancer. The power lines were atleast 300' from the house.

I felt like saying, yea, there's a guy down the street with an arm
growing out of his neck. I printed out the power line section and put it
on the table next to the information pamphlet.

Our real estate agent told us a story of someone else who had the same
problem. They had the power company come out with a magnetic field
detector and walk around there house. Guess were the highest magnetic
field was. 4' or less from the TV set. Were most kids sit and watch the
thing.

Read and learn.

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Old October 7th 03, 12:02 PM
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Phillipe2004 wrote in article
:
In article ,
(Thomas Zielinski) wrote:

I once ran the numbers... no way... cellular radiation is a few
orders of magnitude too small to break even among the weakest chemical
bonds in the human body... (much less cause DNA damage thus
cancer...) RF heating from the milliwatt levels of a handheld phone
is ridiculous as well...

I did some research for a psuedo-science project (actually a seminar
for physicists), and could not find a shred of credible evidence to
support ANY negative health effects caused by cell phones...

It's purely unfounded paranoia compounded by the media's idiotic
portrayals.. and as far as I can determine has already cost US tax
payers millions of research dollars. (If I remember correctly,
there's a department somewhere invetigating this and powerline
radiation. . . sheesh... idiots...)

That's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. grab a modern
physics textbook and a basic bio book... run the numbers... it'll
take like 3 min if you know what you're doing. convince yourself.


-Tom



Denial from the Sprint apologists who obfuscate and distort the study by
a disinterested Government group.


3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache

likely worse over the long term. Would you stick your head in a
microwave oven?


Here is something related to that...total nonsense!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

WiFi Network News is reporting that a school district has been sued for
planning a WiFi network, because parents say that the WiFi networks emit
harmful electro-magnetic radiation. The lawsuit claims that there is a
"substantial body of evidence" that WiFi emits harmful EMR - though,
this seems
to be the first most people have heard of such evidence.

================================================== ============================
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
COUNTY DEPARTMENT, CHANCERY DIVISION
Rachel and Rebecca Baiman, John Davis, and
Jonah and Maya Cabral, by their Fathers
and next Friends, individually and on behalf
of all other people similarly situated,
Plaintiffs,
v.
Oak Park Elementary School District 97,
John C. Fagan, Dan Burke, Adekunle
Onayemi, Marcia Frank, Sharon Patchak-
Layman, Carolyn Newberry Schwartz,
Michelle Harton and Bob Walsh,
Defendants.

Case No.
Judge

CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT

Plaintiffs, Rachel and Rebecca Baiman, John Davis, and Jonah and Maya
Cabral, by
their
Fathers and next Friends, individually, and on behalf of all others
similarly
situated, by their
attorneys, Buehler Reed & Williams, complain of Defendants Oak Park
Elementary
School
District 97, John C. Fagan, Dan Burke, Adekunle Onayemi, Marcia Frank,
Sharon
Patchak-
Layman, Carolyn Newberry Schwartz, Michelle Harton and Bob Walsh, as
follows:

NATURE OF THE CASE

1. Plaintiffs are all minors and residents of Oak Park Illinois, all of
whom
attend
school in the Oak Park Elementary School District 97. District 97 serves
the Oak
Park
community by providing elementary school education to thousands of
students in
eight schools
serving Kindergarten through Fifth Grade students and in two middle
schools for
Sixth through
Eighth grade students. Plaintiffs bring this action because District 97,
its
Board, and its
Superintendent have recently implemented wireless local area network
technology
in
the
classrooms. Specifically, the Defendants have installed wireless
networks in
each
of the school
buildings under its jurisdiction. In so doing, the Defendants have
ignored the
substantial body of
evidence that high frequency electro-magnetic radiation poses
substantial and
serious health risks,
particularly to growing children. The Defendants have thereby breached
their
duties of care to
the children of District 97.

2. Venue is proper in this Court pursuant to 735 ILCS 5/101. All of the
Defendants

are residents of this county, and all of the acts giving rise to this
cause of
action occurred in this
county.

PARTIES

3. Plaintiffs are all minor children enrolled in the District 97 School
System
and
they
are all residents of Oak Park, Illinois.

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  #17  
Old October 7th 03, 04:32 PM
DH
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Guess they won't be riding to school in cars or busses, because of the EM
fields caused by the rotating tires...

"Mark F" wrote in message
...
Phillipe2004 wrote in article
:
In article ,
(Thomas Zielinski) wrote:

I once ran the numbers... no way... cellular radiation is a few
orders of magnitude too small to break even among the weakest chemical
bonds in the human body... (much less cause DNA damage thus
cancer...) RF heating from the milliwatt levels of a handheld phone
is ridiculous as well...

I did some research for a psuedo-science project (actually a seminar
for physicists), and could not find a shred of credible evidence to
support ANY negative health effects caused by cell phones...

It's purely unfounded paranoia compounded by the media's idiotic
portrayals.. and as far as I can determine has already cost US tax
payers millions of research dollars. (If I remember correctly,
there's a department somewhere invetigating this and powerline
radiation. . . sheesh... idiots...)

That's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. grab a modern
physics textbook and a basic bio book... run the numbers... it'll
take like 3 min if you know what you're doing. convince yourself.


-Tom



Denial from the Sprint apologists who obfuscate and distort the study by
a disinterested Government group.


3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache

likely worse over the long term. Would you stick your head in a
microwave oven?


Here is something related to that...total nonsense!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

WiFi Network News is reporting that a school district has been sued for
planning a WiFi network, because parents say that the WiFi networks emit
harmful electro-magnetic radiation. The lawsuit claims that there is a
"substantial body of evidence" that WiFi emits harmful EMR - though,
this seems
to be the first most people have heard of such evidence.


================================================== ==========================
==
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
COUNTY DEPARTMENT, CHANCERY DIVISION
Rachel and Rebecca Baiman, John Davis, and
Jonah and Maya Cabral, by their Fathers
and next Friends, individually and on behalf
of all other people similarly situated,
Plaintiffs,
v.
Oak Park Elementary School District 97,
John C. Fagan, Dan Burke, Adekunle
Onayemi, Marcia Frank, Sharon Patchak-
Layman, Carolyn Newberry Schwartz,
Michelle Harton and Bob Walsh,
Defendants.

Case No.
Judge

CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT

Plaintiffs, Rachel and Rebecca Baiman, John Davis, and Jonah and Maya
Cabral, by
their
Fathers and next Friends, individually, and on behalf of all others
similarly
situated, by their
attorneys, Buehler Reed & Williams, complain of Defendants Oak Park
Elementary
School
District 97, John C. Fagan, Dan Burke, Adekunle Onayemi, Marcia Frank,
Sharon
Patchak-
Layman, Carolyn Newberry Schwartz, Michelle Harton and Bob Walsh, as
follows:

NATURE OF THE CASE

1. Plaintiffs are all minors and residents of Oak Park Illinois, all of
whom
attend
school in the Oak Park Elementary School District 97. District 97 serves
the Oak
Park
community by providing elementary school education to thousands of
students in
eight schools
serving Kindergarten through Fifth Grade students and in two middle
schools for
Sixth through
Eighth grade students. Plaintiffs bring this action because District 97,
its
Board, and its
Superintendent have recently implemented wireless local area network
technology
in
the
classrooms. Specifically, the Defendants have installed wireless
networks in
each
of the school
buildings under its jurisdiction. In so doing, the Defendants have
ignored the
substantial body of
evidence that high frequency electro-magnetic radiation poses
substantial and
serious health risks,
particularly to growing children. The Defendants have thereby breached
their
duties of care to
the children of District 97.

2. Venue is proper in this Court pursuant to 735 ILCS 5/101. All of the
Defendants

are residents of this county, and all of the acts giving rise to this
cause of
action occurred in this
county.

PARTIES

3. Plaintiffs are all minor children enrolled in the District 97 School
System
and
they
are all residents of Oak Park, Illinois.

[posted via phonescoop.com]



  #18  
Old October 7th 03, 04:57 PM
Thomas Zielinski
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Denial from the Sprint apologists who obfuscate and distort the study by
a disinterested Government group.


3G Mobile Signals Can Cause Nausea, Headache

likely worse over the long term. Would you stick your head in a
microwave oven?



Have you ever noticed the door has to be closed before the oven will
go on... it's probably to protect the type of twits that do these
cellular studies.

My questions is do you know how a microwave works, or are you just
running your mouth off on a newsgroup? Let me point you towards the
crucial difference. Compare the few milliwatt power output of a phone
to the HUNDREDS (of) WATT output from a Microwave! Even then, the
energy of each individual photon is not ionizing nor anywhere nearly
strong enough to break a wimpy hydrogen bond. High wattage microwaves
cause RF heating ("molecular friction" caused by rotation of
dipoles... namely water) and the resulting thermal buildup is what
does the trick as far as cooking food goes. Your phone exhibits this
effect on a ultra teensy tiny scale, nowhere near enough to do any
damage to human tissue (any excess heat (negligeable) is promptly and
efficiently shuttled out by your extensive vascular network)

The ONLY instance in which I have heard of RF radiation in this range
causing damage was if you LOOKED at a DIRECTIONAL AMPLIFIED 2.4GHz
beam (aplified Wifi with a cantenna, for instance). Your eye has a
lot less net blood flow to deal with the heat buildup.

BELIEVE ME! I'm really 100% OK with you not using a cell phone
because you believe some pseudo-scientists who write a paper once in a
while, and a media that goes crazy over such things... but please
don't waste millions of this countries tax dollars on such quackery!

-Tom

PS. you should also avoid the sun... I can guarantee you that it's
much more dangerous than any cellular phone yet to be made by man!
  #19  
Old October 7th 03, 05:02 PM
Thomas Zielinski
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What really hurts is that the relevant members of society
(Judges/Juries/Lawyers, etc.) are very ill equipped to pick out the
psuedo-science from the real science.

-Tom




(Mark F) wrote in message ...
WiFi Network News is reporting that a school district has been sued for
planning a WiFi network, because parents say that the WiFi networks emit
harmful electro-magnetic radiation. The lawsuit claims that there is a
"substantial body of evidence" that WiFi emits harmful EMR - though,
this seems
to be the first most people have heard of such evidence.

  #20  
Old October 7th 03, 05:06 PM
Thomas Zielinski
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Quark wrote in message ...
Al Klein wrote:
Medical College of Wisconsin - General Clinical Research Center

http://www.mcw.edu/gcrc/cop.html

I found this site when selling my home. We had high tension wires in our
back yard. One lady actually asked me if anyone on our street had gotten
cancer. The power lines were atleast 300' from the house.

I felt like saying, yea, there's a guy down the street with an arm
growing out of his neck. I printed out the power line section and put it
on the table next to the information pamphlet.

Our real estate agent told us a story of someone else who had the same
problem. They had the power company come out with a magnetic field
detector and walk around there house. Guess were the highest magnetic
field was. 4' or less from the TV set. Were most kids sit and watch the
thing.

Read and learn.



I once did those numbers too... the Earth's natural magnetic field
SWAMPS the magnetic field induced by even the highest tension power
lines..

Why don't people stop to consider these things before believing such
foolishness...

-Tom
 




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