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Old August 20th 03, 07:43 PM
John Navas
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In on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:21:22 -0000,
(Mark Filla) wrote:

I'm going to post the FCC Rule one more time


No need to do that -- once was enough. (BTW, the actual order [FCC 96-223] is
accessible at http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/Orders/1996/fcc96223.wp.)

and state that "ONLY THE
LICENSEE" can install a BDA for their own system as it states in the
first paragraph and in sub-section (e).


That's a made-up quote (your own interpretation) -- there is no such phrase in
the rule.

What the FCC means by the amp
not being regulated is that the Licensee does not have to license each
individual installation with the Commission, it does not give every
person in the good ol USA the right to install a BDA whereever they
desire, that isn't what they mean. It is very clear in the rules and I
stand by the FCC rules and my 15 years past experience as a wireless
system engineer.


My one more time:

Andrew Corporation (a near billion dollar S&P500 communications company),
CellAntenna Corporation, and Wilson Electronics have all assured me that their
bidirectional amps are FCC Approved/Type Accepted, and that no FCC license is
needed to install and operate them here in the USA. They openly sell them for
consumer use.

I actually called the FCC regarding this, and was assured by a spokesperson at
the Commercial Wireless Division that the FCC does not regulate the use of
these FCC Type Accepted low-power cellular repeaters/boosters, and thus no
license is required to install and operate them. We specifically discussed
them being operated by consumers, not carriers.

If you want to violate the rules and take the chance of being charged
with a $10,000 fine so be it....don't say that I didn't warn you.
[SNIP]


I'm quite comfortable relying on these manufacturers and the FCC. I don't
think there's any rules violation or risk of a $10,000 fine. You are of
course welcome to disagree, but if you want me to take you seriously, you'll
need to come up with something more than your own interpretation of the FCC
rules and your claimed 15 years past experience as a wireless system engineer.

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Old August 20th 03, 08:41 PM
Mark Filla
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John Navas wrote in article
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In on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:21:22 -0000,
and state that "ONLY THE
LICENSEE" can install a BDA for their own system as it states in the
first paragraph and in sub-section (e).


That's a made-up quote (your own interpretation) -- there is no such phrase in
the rule.


Here is the definition of the word "Licensee" that is utilized
throughout the FCC Rule that I posted earlier:

liĄPcensĄPee [ lČźssĄŚn sȲ ] (plural liĄPcensĄPees)
noun
somebody authorized to do something: somebody who has been granted
official permission to do something

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...arch=Licensees

You sir have not been authorized or granted "official permission" to
re-amplify any cellular or PCS system. I don't care what ANDREW tells
you as they won't have to pay the penalties and while the system is type
accepted for licensees to install, it is not within the rules for you to
go out and install it where ever you please.

Please post the FCC Report and Order that overrules the Part 90 and Part
22 direction on permissible installations as there has to be some sort
of direction. The FCC doesn't work that way. In addition, to date you
have not posted any credible information (except for Andrew's sales
literature) other than you said that you spoke to them on the phone,
lets see something in writing other than your rambling.

There...I bottom posted....happy now?

Mark



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Old August 20th 03, 10:09 PM
Mark Filla
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John Navas wrote in article
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In on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:41:50 -0000,
(Mark Filla) wrote:

... to date you
have not posted any credible information (except for Andrew's sales
literature) other than you said that you spoke to them on the phone,
lets see something in writing other than your rambling.


No offense, but I find Andrew (phone, product documentation, installation
guide, etc.), other manufacturers, and the spokesperson at the Commercial
Wireless Division of the FCC to be far more credible than you (particularly
since I don't know anything about you), and I'm fully satisfied with my
investigation. You are of course free to disagree. Under the circumstances,
there doesn't seem to be much point in continuing the debate.

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Well I too think we have exhausted our debate, as I still don't agree
with your thinking as I have licensed VHF, UHF, and 800 MHz and very
well versed on the FCCrules over the last 15 yrs., I can see where
someone not having good cellular/pcs service in their home or office
might want to put one of these it. If someone thinks that they can do
it legally or be within the FCC guideleines...so be it.

As to know knowing me...I have posted my wireless back-gound on other
posts, I'm sure your resourceful enough to find it grin.

We can let the other readers come to their own conclusions as to its
legality or do research on their own and comment.

Mark


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Old August 21st 03, 02:06 AM
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John Navas wrote:



and state that "ONLY THE
LICENSEE" can install a BDA for their own system as it states in the
first paragraph and in sub-section (e).


That's a made-up quote (your own interpretation) -- there is no such
phrase in the rule.


What does the following mean?

"§ 90.219 Use of signal boosters.

Licensees authorized to operate radio systems in the frequency bands
above 150 MHz
may employ signal boosters at fixed locations in accordance with the
following criteria:..."


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Old August 21st 03, 02:26 AM
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"James Knott" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
John Navas wrote:



and state that "ONLY THE
LICENSEE" can install a BDA for their own system as it states in the
first paragraph and in sub-section (e).


That's a made-up quote (your own interpretation) -- there is no such
phrase in the rule.


What does the following mean?

"§ 90.219 Use of signal boosters.

Licensees authorized to operate radio systems in the frequency

bands
above 150 MHz
may employ signal boosters at fixed locations in accordance with the
following criteria:..."



John I believe understands that he cannot put a BDA/Repeater in, as clearly
it is well known that only people who own the license for that frequency can
transmit on that frequency in a given locale.
John should contact his carrier and talk to the engineering staff. Once John
has the carriers engineering department look at his house, they would more
than likely approve the use of one of those repeaters that John posted. But
his best bet is to get the carriers approval first.


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Old August 21st 03, 03:15 AM
John Navas
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In . rogers.com on Thu, 21
Aug 2003 00:06:26 GMT, James Knott wrote:

John Navas wrote:

and state that "ONLY THE
LICENSEE" can install a BDA for their own system as it states in the
first paragraph and in sub-section (e).


That's a made-up quote (your own interpretation) -- there is no such
phrase in the rule.


What does the following mean?

"§ 90.219 Use of signal boosters.

Licensees authorized to operate radio systems in the frequency bands
above 150 MHz
may employ signal boosters at fixed locations in accordance with the
following criteria:..."


According to the Commercial Wireless Division of the FCC (which I called), it
means that the FCC does not regulate the use of FCC Type Accepted low-power
cellular repeaters/boosters, and thus no license is required to install and
operate them.

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John Navas http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular
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Old August 21st 03, 03:18 AM
John Navas
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In on Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:26:27 -0800,
"Dana" wrote:

"James Knott" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
John Navas wrote:

and state that "ONLY THE
LICENSEE" can install a BDA for their own system as it states in the
first paragraph and in sub-section (e).

That's a made-up quote (your own interpretation) -- there is no such
phrase in the rule.


What does the following mean?

"§ 90.219 Use of signal boosters.

Licensees authorized to operate radio systems in the frequency bands
above 150 MHz
may employ signal boosters at fixed locations in accordance with the
following criteria:..."


John I believe understands that he cannot put a BDA/Repeater in, as clearly
it is well known that only people who own the license for that frequency can
transmit on that frequency in a given locale.


According to the Commercial Wireless Division of the FCC (which I called), the
FCC does not regulate the use of FCC Type Accepted low-power cellular
repeaters/boosters, and thus no license is required to install and operate
them, even by consumers. Manufacturers (e.g., Andrews Corp, a near billion
dollar S&P500 comm company), say the same thing.

John should contact his carrier and talk to the engineering staff. Once John
has the carriers engineering department look at his house, they would more
than likely approve the use of one of those repeaters that John posted. But
his best bet is to get the carriers approval first.


Wouldn't hurt, but I doubt that a carrier would bother with a personal
residence. It would probably just say "no" because it would rather not have
consumers doing that, even though it's legitimate.

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Old August 21st 03, 04:16 AM
Mark Filla
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James Knott wrote in article
. rogers.com:
John Navas wrote:



and state that "ONLY THE
LICENSEE" can install a BDA for their own system as it states in the
first paragraph and in sub-section (e).


That's a made-up quote (your own interpretation) -- there is no such
phrase in the rule.


What does the following mean?

"§ 90.219 Use of signal boosters.

Licensees authorized to operate radio systems in the frequency bands
above 150 MHz
may employ signal boosters at fixed locations in accordance with the
following criteria:..."


--

Fundamentalism is fundamentally wrong.

To reply to this message, replace everything to the left of "@" with
james.knott.


It means exactly what it states, Licensees, or those who have a valid
license(s), to operate transmitters in frequencies above 150 MHz, are
allowed to operate signal boosters (BDA'S) in accordance to the rules in
fixed locations to amplify their paticular frequency(ies).

I posted the whole FCC rule section 90.219 a day or 2 back if you would
like to read the whole thing. It puts it in logical order although
there are a few here that dispute my interpretation of the rule.

Mark

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