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  #22  
Old September 11th 03, 11:03 AM
Osmo Ronkanen
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D I E G O wrote in message . ..

In italy, the reason for the high landline to mobile calling cost is
monopoly of the landline network by Telecom Italia plus the high
interconnection fees (generated from the other operators to get even
against telecom, I suppose)


Here the miobile operator sets the fee. The land line operator charges
only a small local network fee (same or less than a local call)

I find it ironic that this thread started with someone presenting the
large percentage of prepaids in Italy as an advanced feature. It is not.
With prepaid one always pays more as it shows lesser commitment. Post-paid
is the more advanced system.


Here comes a "cultural" reason to this behaviour: italian government
tends to taxate anything it's available: so mobile postpaid contracts
are subject to taxation, while prepaid are not. Since the birth of
prepaid, there has been a huge growth of the wireless market here.


You mean a tax other than VAT? Here prepaid is seen largerly as a
connection for criminals, those with bad credit record and children.
Normally prepiad makes sense only if you talk very little and even then
the high starting cost makes it a not so good choice.

Many people here do not have a landline in the first place, only
about 2/3 have it while almost everyone has a mobile phone.


that's an upcoming trend in Italy too, expecially among young people
going to live on their own, but it' just a way to reduce costs by
cutting the landline, so don't expect them to call you, that will cost
a lot to them! :^)


Well here people do use their mobiles. It is a leading cause of losing
your credit.


Even
when they have a landline many people use a mobile because it is
more convenient (like phone directories).


Phone directories? Never interrogate them from a cell while in italy,
it will cost you a fortune: you'll better browse them by wap.


I meant the directory in the phone memomory or in the SIM. With normal
phones tyou typically have only numbers stored in speed dials and it
may be hard to remember which is which.



Large companies can use specific devices to route calls
to mobiles through GSM network avoiding the high land to mobile costs.


Since the mobile number portabilty, discriminating by the prefix it's
not an option anymore, so you cannot use intra operators cheaper
plans according to the number you are calling.


Relatively few numbers are ported so it works provided you do not
choose contracts where the penalty of calling wrong operator is very
high.

Frankly I do not see the fear of calling a mobile phone.

Osmo
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Old September 11th 03, 04:21 PM
D I E G O
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On 11 Sep 2003 03:03:31 -0700, in article
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(Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:

Here the miobile operator sets the fee. The land line operator charges
only a small local network fee (same or less than a local call)


Here is the same, with the diference that our incumbent landline
operator doesn't charge only a small local fee, 'cause he's got the
power to lead the prices wherever he wants. It is the major landline
operator (i'd say monopolistic) and the major wireless operator.
I could add that what we have now is a TRUST, with no competition
among the different operators
I understand the situation exsisting in other european markets, but as
i've already said, it's not the italian way... I'm really longing for
some European intervention on this matter :P

You mean a tax other than VAT?


Sure!
A tax just for the fact that you have a mobile postpaid (with two
different costs for private and corporate contracts), plus VAT (the
italian IVA) and plus the monthly fee you have to pay to your operator
(depending on the contract).
Prepaid has just to pay the VAT, and in some cases a little amount on
each topping you do.

Here prepaid is seen largerly as a
connection for criminals, those with bad credit record and children.


Not here.
To have a prepaid in Italy you have to send your identity and fiscal
documents to the operator...

Normally prepiad makes sense only if you talk very little and even then
the high starting cost makes it a not so good choice.


As AndreA says in the post below, in Italy is different, and
frequently prepaid got some discount plans and other incentives from
the operator and other benefits that you wouldn't have as a mobile
postpaid...

Well here people do use their mobiles. It is a leading cause of losing
your credit.


Yes, but you loose it slower than in Italy...

I meant the directory in the phone memomory or in the SIM. With normal
phones tyou typically have only numbers stored in speed dials and it
may be hard to remember which is which.


Oh, sorry!
Anyway, my advice stand still...

Relatively few numbers are ported so it works provided you do not
choose contracts where the penalty of calling wrong operator is very
high.


The problem is: there's NO cheap flat rate for calling mobiles here!
Maybe it's availabe for some corporate customers, not for ordinary
people

Frankly I do not see the fear of calling a mobile phone.


I've realized it.
To see this fear, you'd have to live in my country... ;^)

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Old September 11th 03, 04:21 PM
D I E G O
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:26:57 +0200, in article
, AndreA
wrote:

You're right but... i'm living in Italy... and last year I closed my
postpaid sim card because my prepaid is better for services and prices
:-(((


That's exactly what i'm trying to say, my friend! :^)

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Old September 12th 03, 10:05 AM
Osmo Ronkanen
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D I E G O wrote in message . ..
On 11 Sep 2003 03:03:31 -0700, in article
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(Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:

Here the miobile operator sets the fee. The land line operator charges
only a small local network fee (same or less than a local call)


Here is the same, with the diference that our incumbent landline
operator doesn't charge only a small local fee, 'cause he's got the
power to lead the prices wherever he wants. It is the major landline
operator (i'd say monopolistic) and the major wireless operator.
I could add that what we have now is a TRUST, with no competition
among the different operators


Well here we do not have one monoply but localized monopolies. Since
the beginning land lines in cites have been handled by local phone
companies or co-operatives and rural areas as well as long distance
by the state (now TeliaSonera). Nowadays competition on long distance
is free. The prices have risen here also, up to 80's local calls
costed only about 5 cents/call with no minute fee. Then they added
minute fee on day time and in early 90's to evenings also. Recently they
removed the reduction on evenings/weekens alltogether. Now
a local call is 12 cents + 1 cent/min. At the same time the company went
from co-operative into a public company and the price of the stock rose by
over 10 fold.

Do you mean the land line phone company there charges some special fee
on calls to mobiles? Is that legal under EU regulations? Here they charge
same fee on calls to mobiles, long distance, international calls and calls
to service numbers. That is never higher than a local call AFAIK. In
Helsinki it is 9 cents + 0.9 c/min.

Well here people do use their mobiles. It is a leading cause of losing
your credit.


Yes, but you loose it slower than in Italy...


Or maybe not. High cost can actually save money by reducing the use.

Osmo
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Old September 12th 03, 12:02 PM
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On 12 Sep 2003 02:05:41 -0700, in article
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(Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:

Do you mean the land line phone company there charges some special fee
on calls to mobiles?


I guess we have two different price-structure in telephony...
You have always a local fee + the cost requested by the mobile
operator?
Here we have different prices for local, long distance or mobile's
calling depending upon the landline carrier you choose / hours of the
day / operator you call.
I told you the prices applied by Telecom Italia, who is the prevalent
carrier, but you can save money using alternative ones.
Eventually, in any case, you'll end up by spending a lot to call
mobile phones. The real competition is only about long distance, local
and international calls.
Mobile interconnection fees, on the opposite, make it not possible for
alternative carriers to offer discount prices. Some of them use
triangulation, so your call to mobiles will go - for instance -
through to a foreign country or through a mobile phone and then back
to the italy mobile phone you are calling.

Is that legal under EU regulations?


You Know, laws often don't apply in the same way to big, strong,
multinational firms... anyway I don't know if that matter has been
regulated in this particular aspect.

Here they charge
same fee on calls to mobiles, long distance, international calls and calls
to service numbers. That is never higher than a local call AFAIK. In
Helsinki it is 9 cents + 0.9 c/min.


You pay the same price (0.9 c/min) to call your neighbour / your
friend in Australia / your friend's mobile phone?

Or maybe not. High cost can actually save money by reducing the use.


Oh well, you save a lot by not calling at all...

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Old September 13th 03, 11:44 AM
Osmo Ronkanen
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D I E G O wrote in message . ..

Here they charge
same fee on calls to mobiles, long distance, international calls and calls
to service numbers. That is never higher than a local call AFAIK. In
Helsinki it is 9 cents + 0.9 c/min.


You pay the same price (0.9 c/min) to call your neighbour / your
friend in Australia / your friend's mobile phone?


The local land line company charges the same amount. The international
operator, mobile operator, service provider etc. charges is own fee.

Osmo
 




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