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Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?



 
 
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Old January 29th 16, 08:27 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Alice J.
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

I just recently found out that our cellphones may be giving google,
(by default anyway), in general, all the SSIDs around us, but, more
sinisterly specifically, the SSID of our own home broadband routers.

My first question is whether that's true (by default)?

My second question is how to turn that off (only if it's true).

NOTE: I am not asking if we give google our geolocation; I'm only
asking if we give them our SSID when we're at home and under
what conditions (so that I can turn off those conditions).

NOTE: I also know about _nomap (but that's not what I'm asking).
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Old January 29th 16, 08:57 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Arno Welzel
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

Alice J. schrieb am 2016-01-29 um 08:27:

I just recently found out that our cellphones may be giving google,
(by default anyway), in general, all the SSIDs around us, but, more
sinisterly specifically, the SSID of our own home broadband routers.


Yep - and this is nothing new. Google has been collecting SSIDs as long
as they do picture recording for StreetView.

My first question is whether that's true (by default)?


For Android: Yes.

My second question is how to turn that off (only if it's true).


For Android: Depending on the in the advanced WiFi settings - the option
is called "Scanning always available - Let Google's location service and
other apps scan for networks...".




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Old January 29th 16, 10:36 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Andy Burns[_4_]
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

Alice J. wrote:

I just recently found out that our cellphones may be giving google,
(by default anyway), in general, all the SSIDs around us, but, more
sinisterly specifically, the SSID of our own home broadband routers.


Sit down before you read this then ...

By default android devices give the *passwords* for your SSIDs to
google, so that when you enter it into one device, it syncs to other
devices on the same account, so you don't need to enter the password
again, or when you replace your device it can restore the settings.


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Old January 29th 16, 12:03 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Alice J.
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

Andy Burns wrote in message
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Sit down before you read this then ...

By default android devices give the *passwords* for your SSIDs to
google, so that when you enter it into one device, it syncs to other
devices on the same account, so you don't need to enter the password
again, or when you replace your device it can restore the settings.


I have Settings {Connections, My device, Accounts, and More}
https://i.imgur.com/Y2LAgNy.gif

In "More", I have "Location services" set at this level by default
https://i.imgur.com/GmHwRnH.gif

In "Accounts", I have "Google"
https://i.imgur.com/jjmqMW4.gif

Which shows the one Google account that you must have by default
https://i.imgur.com/8Gs6Ew6.gif

And which has "Location settings" at that level by default
https://i.imgur.com/FgqiSR6.gif

Given that, am "I" giving Google my home SSID by default while I sleep?
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Old January 29th 16, 12:36 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Andy Burns[_4_]
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

Alice J. wrote:

In "Accounts", I have "Google"


But you do have sync turned off, so I think it won't share your
SSIDs/passwords with google or your other devices (assuming you've never
turned it on, even once).

Which shows the one Google account that you must have by default


I don't think you *must* have a google account, just that the device
will lose a lot of functionality without one, choose your compromise ...

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Old January 29th 16, 02:30 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

Per Andy Burns:
By default android devices give the *passwords* for your SSIDs to
google, so that when you enter it into one device, it syncs to other
devices on the same account, so you don't need to enter the password
again, or when you replace your device it can restore the settings.


Is there any connection between that practice and the change to the
Android API that no longer allows saving lists of SSIDs and PWs ?

On my 4.3 phone, I can save a list.

But on my 5.something tablet, I cannot.... the utility that generates
the list runs OK, but the PWs come out looking like GUIDs.
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Old January 29th 16, 04:53 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Alice J.
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

But you do have sync turned off, so I think it won't share your
SSIDs/passwords with google or your other devices (assuming you've never
turned it on, even once).


I don't even really *understand* what sync does.
Why would I need the phone to sync anything?

I should note that the android account is *not* my gmail account
that I use daily. The android account is only a bogus
style account, just so that I can download from Google Play.

I copy my pictures and files myself, over to my laptop, so I'm not
worried about that kind of data.

I don't think you *must* have a google account, just that the device
will lose a lot of functionality without one, choose your compromise ...


I created a wholly bogus
account *only* so
that I could use Google Play to download apps.

Are you intimating that I don't even need the Google Play account to
download apps from Google Play?

(Yes, I know there are other repositories.)
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Old January 29th 16, 05:10 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Arno Welzel
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

Alice J. schrieb am 2016-01-29 um 11:44:

Arno Welzel wrote in message :

Yep - and this is nothing new. Google has been collecting SSIDs as long
as they do picture recording for StreetView.


I was trying to be very specific in NOT bringing up the fact
that they record the SSID with the camera car that drives
around our neighborhood.

That's a DIFFERENT recording that Google does with extremely
expensive and special equipment mounted to the roof of a car.


There is no "special equipment" needed to see SSIDs. When I go to the
backyard of the apartment building where I live, I can easily pick up
around 10 different SSIDs with my smartphone.

My first question is whether that's true (by default)?

For Android: Yes.


If that's true, then we're giving Google the SSID of our home routers
every single night while we sleep (by default).


Yep. And as long as you don't live in a very high floor or have some
kind of magnetic shielding in your house everybody around the place you
live will pick up the SSID as well - and so the smartphones moving along
the place you live.

For Android: Depending on the in the advanced WiFi settings - the option
is called "Scanning always available - Let Google's location service and
other apps scan for networks...".


I don't have "Scanning always available..." as an option in my S3
which is running Android 4.3.


The option I described is in Android 5.1. Maybe it is in the advanced
location service settings or in the "Google Settings" app which can be
found on some devices.


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Old January 29th 16, 05:17 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless,alt.cellular
Arno Welzel
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Default Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?

Alice J. schrieb am 2016-01-29 um 16:53:

But you do have sync turned off, so I think it won't share your
SSIDs/passwords with google or your other devices (assuming you've never
turned it on, even once).


I don't even really *understand* what sync does.


It synchronizes your data between the phone and all accounts you have
there. Google is usually one of the accounts, but you can add additional
services which will also do synchronization - e.g. calendar and
addressbook using your own DAV server and the CalDAV/CardDAV app by
Marten Gajda.

Why would I need the phone to sync anything?


I use this to keep the addressbook and calendar on my PC in sync with
the one on my Android devices - so I don't have to enter the data again
on every single device. And if I add address or an appointment on my
phone it will automatically show up on my PC as well. However I don't
use Google for this but Baikal on my server and apps for CardDAV/CalDAV
on the Android devices.

[...]
Are you intimating that I don't even need the Google Play account to
download apps from Google Play?


Officially? No - you always need an account.

(Yes, I know there are other repositories.)


Yep - for example F-Droid, which only has Open Source stuff.


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