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Old December 8th 15, 06:07 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
Paul M. Cook
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:54:57 -0800, mike wrote:

I'm normally in a bicycle or motorcycle. If there's any possibility
that a car might cross my path, I make sure that I have eye contact
before crossing their path. Even that doesn't always do it.


I ride a bike also, and, have been riding for very many years.

People have been turning left in front of bikers since cages and bikes
started sharing the roads.

I didn't look at the motorocycle accident statistics, but, really,
people are plain stupid if they think *new* distractions are so
dangerous, yet, they have absolutely zero effect on overall accident
rates in the USA.

You can't possibly have one without the other that *exactly* cancels
out in both timing and magnitude. You just can't.

Well, you could. But, it would take a tremendously coincidental set
of circumstances that *exactly* starts at exactly the time that cell
phones were sold, and then exactly coincides exactly with the meteoric
rise of cellphone ownership, and then exactly leveled off at exactly
the same rate that cellphones did, and then stayed that way, at exactly
the same rate up to the current time.

It can happen - and anyone who says cellphones are "causing" increased
accidents *must* agree that it *did* happen - but that's really a
preposterous conclusion.

That's why anyone who says that cellphone use is so dangerous that
it raises the accident rate, is only proving that they're an idiot.

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Old December 8th 15, 06:48 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
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On 12/7/2015 9:07 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:54:57 -0800, mike wrote:

I'm normally in a bicycle or motorcycle. If there's any possibility
that a car might cross my path, I make sure that I have eye contact
before crossing their path. Even that doesn't always do it.


I ride a bike also, and, have been riding for very many years.

People have been turning left in front of bikers since cages and bikes
started sharing the roads.

I didn't look at the motorocycle accident statistics, but, really,
people are plain stupid if they think *new* distractions are so
dangerous, yet, they have absolutely zero effect on overall accident
rates in the USA.

You can't possibly have one without the other that *exactly* cancels
out in both timing and magnitude. You just can't.

Well, you could. But, it would take a tremendously coincidental set
of circumstances that *exactly* starts at exactly the time that cell
phones were sold, and then exactly coincides exactly with the meteoric
rise of cellphone ownership, and then exactly leveled off at exactly
the same rate that cellphones did, and then stayed that way, at exactly
the same rate up to the current time.

It can happen - and anyone who says cellphones are "causing" increased
accidents *must* agree that it *did* happen - but that's really a
preposterous conclusion.

That's why anyone who says that cellphone use is so dangerous that
it raises the accident rate, is only proving that they're an idiot.

You want to quote statistics.
Statistics are great for sizing a power plant.
When it's personally being maimed by a car,
it's either zero or one. I don't like the thought of one.

I don't care about statistics.
I ask YOU to put your cellphone in your pocket while
driving for MY safety. And since you brought it up, put the
kids and the dog and the passengers in the trunk, as they're
statistically even MUCH more distractive.

Thank you for your cooperation.
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Old December 8th 15, 07:03 AM posted to alt.cellular
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wrote:
On 12/7/2015 9:07 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:54:57 -0800, mike wrote:

I'm normally in a bicycle or motorcycle. If there's any possibility
that a car might cross my path, I make sure that I have eye contact
before crossing their path. Even that doesn't always do it.


I ride a bike also, and, have been riding for very many years.

People have been turning left in front of bikers since cages and bikes
started sharing the roads.

I didn't look at the motorocycle accident statistics, but, really,
people are plain stupid if they think *new* distractions are so
dangerous, yet, they have absolutely zero effect on overall accident
rates in the USA.

You can't possibly have one without the other that *exactly* cancels
out in both timing and magnitude. You just can't.

Well, you could. But, it would take a tremendously coincidental set
of circumstances that *exactly* starts at exactly the time that cell
phones were sold, and then exactly coincides exactly with the meteoric
rise of cellphone ownership, and then exactly leveled off at exactly
the same rate that cellphones did, and then stayed that way, at exactly
the same rate up to the current time.

It can happen - and anyone who says cellphones are "causing" increased
accidents *must* agree that it *did* happen - but that's really a
preposterous conclusion.

That's why anyone who says that cellphone use is so dangerous that
it raises the accident rate, is only proving that they're an idiot.

You want to quote statistics.
Statistics are great for sizing a power plant.
When it's personally being maimed by a car,
it's either zero or one. I don't like the thought of one.
I don't care about statistics.
I ask YOU to put your cellphone in your pocket while
driving for MY safety. And since you brought it up, put the
kids and the dog and the passengers in the trunk, as they're
statistically even MUCH more distractive.
Thank you for your cooperation.


Many states have a law against using a cell phone while driving, for the very reason that it's dangerous.

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Old December 8th 15, 08:32 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
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mike wrote:
On 12/7/2015 9:07 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:54:57 -0800, mike wrote:

I'm normally in a bicycle or motorcycle. If there's any possibility
that a car might cross my path, I make sure that I have eye contact
before crossing their path. Even that doesn't always do it.


I ride a bike also, and, have been riding for very many years.

People have been turning left in front of bikers since cages and bikes
started sharing the roads.

I didn't look at the motorocycle accident statistics, but, really,
people are plain stupid if they think *new* distractions are so
dangerous, yet, they have absolutely zero effect on overall accident
rates in the USA.

You can't possibly have one without the other that *exactly* cancels
out in both timing and magnitude. You just can't.

Well, you could. But, it would take a tremendously coincidental set
of circumstances that *exactly* starts at exactly the time that cell
phones were sold, and then exactly coincides exactly with the meteoric
rise of cellphone ownership, and then exactly leveled off at exactly
the same rate that cellphones did, and then stayed that way, at exactly
the same rate up to the current time.

It can happen - and anyone who says cellphones are "causing" increased
accidents *must* agree that it *did* happen - but that's really a
preposterous conclusion.

That's why anyone who says that cellphone use is so dangerous that
it raises the accident rate, is only proving that they're an idiot.

You want to quote statistics.
Statistics are great for sizing a power plant.
When it's personally being maimed by a car,
it's either zero or one. I don't like the thought of one.

I don't care about statistics.
I ask YOU to put your cellphone in your pocket while
driving for MY safety. And since you brought it up, put the
kids and the dog and the passengers in the trunk, as they're
statistically even MUCH more distractive.

Thank you for your cooperation.


We know cells are an additional distraction and remove the users thoughts
from driving and observing surroundings.

My main beef is with the callers I observe using one hand to hold their
phone and one to drive, or, even worse, jamming their phone between their
shoulder and ear thus limiting the observation of their surroundings.

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Old December 8th 15, 10:29 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
mike[_10_]
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On 12/7/2015 11:32 PM, Zaidy036 wrote:


My main beef is with the callers I observe using one hand to hold their
phone and one to drive, or, even worse, jamming their phone between their
shoulder and ear thus limiting the observation of their surroundings.

Or driving with their leg so they can use BOTH hands on the phone
as they desperately attempt to read the screen in the reflected sunlight.
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Old December 8th 15, 03:02 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
Paul M. Cook
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:48:43 -0800, mike wrote:

You want to quote statistics.


I'm quoting facts.

The overall accident rate in the USA is a well published and
established facts.

I don't care about statistics.


Of course you'd say that.

Because you have this *emotional* attachment to an idea that has
absolutely zero merit.

You probably think colds are caused by the weather.
Or that high octane gas is, somehow (magically?) better than low octane fuels.
Or that shaving makes your hair grow in thicker.
etc.

A lot of stupid people exist.
They, like you, ignore facts.

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Old December 8th 15, 03:09 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
Paul M. Cook
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:32:57 +0000, Zaidy036 wrote:

We know cells are an additional distraction and remove the users thoughts
from driving and observing surroundings.

My main beef is with the callers I observe using one hand to hold their
phone and one to drive, or, even worse, jamming their phone between their
shoulder and ear thus limiting the observation of their surroundings.


This is an interesting point, and, one that, while not borne out by the
facts, one would *assume* (if they didn't think all that hard about it)
that it might be "slightly" less safe driving with one hand than driving
with both hands.

However, the facts that show that cellphone ownership has had absolutely
zero effect on accident rates also shows that using your hands (or not
using your hands) has also had absolutely no effect on the overall
accident rate, since they're both buried in the same set of facts.

I would argue, but I have *not* run any studies on this, that driving
is such an easy task overall, that whether you drive with one hand
or with two, makes almost zero difference overall in accident rates.

People drive who have no hands (with special cars).

There's nothing inherent about driving that requires two hands, although,
both of us would be hard pressed to find racers, for example, who don't
use both hands while driving.

But, driving isn't racing.
Driving is an inherently trivially simple task, as easily proven that
even an idiot can get a license when they come of age.

Most of us have driven 15K miles year over year over year for almost
fifty years with nary even a single accident, never hitting a single
animal, and certainly not killing anyone.

That's how easy driving is, one hand, or two.

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Old December 8th 15, 03:10 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
Paul M. Cook
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 01:29:59 -0800, mike wrote:

Or driving with their leg so they can use BOTH hands on the phone
as they desperately attempt to read the screen in the reflected sunlight.


If enough people do that, the facts would show an uptick in the accident rate.

It would *have* to (unless something exactly canceled it out).

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Old December 8th 15, 06:15 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
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Paul M. Cook wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 01:29:59 -0800, mike wrote:

Or driving with their leg so they can use BOTH hands on the phone
as they desperately attempt to read the screen in the reflected sunlight.


If enough people do that, the facts would show an uptick in the accident rate.


Faulty logic (not surprised it's coming from you). Many things influence
accident rates that are completely unrelated to cell phone use. Studies
show that cell phone use causes a measurable detrimental effect on driver
awareness. You just refuse to admit it.

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Old December 8th 15, 09:42 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:15:17 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:

Faulty logic (not surprised it's coming from you). Many things influence
accident rates that are completely unrelated to cell phone use. Studies
show that cell phone use causes a measurable detrimental effect on driver
awareness. You just refuse to admit it.


I never said what you're saying.
Remember, driving is easy.

Bear in mind that the average IQ is pretty low (extremely low) compared to,
say, yours or mine or nospams or RodSpeeds. The average IQ is somewhere at
or maybe even blow that of the likes of Jamie.

So, there are LOTs of very stupid people who can still drive for 50 years
without ever having an accident or hitting an animal or object.

That's how *easy* driving is.

Given how easy driving is, it's no wonder that people handle distractions
all the time, such as crying babies, dogs jumping about, fiddling with the
radio, conversations, shifting, turn signals, turning on the heater, etc.

However you said that "cell phone use causes a measurable detrimental
effect on driver awareness". Nobody is going to disagree, assuming that
you meant what you said and that you're not going to distort your own
meaning.

Almost any of a million distractions causes a *measurable* detrimental
effect on driver awareness, so, your statement almost completely
meaningless because people have been handing distractions while driving
since driving was invented.

Of course, I fully and completely understand your *emotion* which is
that you *hate* when someone else is talking while they're driving.
It drives you batty. It drives most of you nuts. You're all emotion
and zero logic.

The logic is so clear as to be the elephant in the room. If driving
while using a phone was as distracting as your emotion illogically
tells you it is, then the facts would follow.

That ZERO facts follow, means, just as clearly as can be, that
the distraction of driving while talking on a cellphone is no more
distracting than any other measurable distraction.

Facts are the elephant in the room you can't ignore.

If driving is as dangerous as you *think* it is, then there *must*
be a meteoric rise in accident rates (and, as you well know, the
*opposite* is what is happening).

 




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