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Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-texttexting!



 
 
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Old May 22nd 13, 09:06 PM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
Fran Jones
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-texttexting!

On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:36:06 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

It should work on any Android device


OK. I was wondering because everyone at first said it wouldn't
work without data, but it works just fine without data, and my
T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S3 is stock Android, like yours.

it's just a data entry method, it's not app specific. In other words,
from the app's point of view, it's part of the keyboard.


OK. Thanks. Why didn't people just *say* that when I first had
asked? Everyone said you must have data, and, well, I don't have
data, and it works. Oh well, maybe I didn't ask it correctly.

Anyway ...

The key question was really trying to find out what voice-to-text
needed so that I could figure out whether it will work on an
as-yet-to-be-bought cheap ($100) T-Mobile Android phone.

So, does everyone concur that voice-to-text should work on *any*
Android phone, out of the box from T-Mobile, without a data plan?
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Old May 23rd 13, 01:45 AM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
DevilsPGD[_4_]
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-text texting!

In the last episode of , Fran Jones
said:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:36:06 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

It should work on any Android device


OK. I was wondering because everyone at first said it wouldn't
work without data, but it works just fine without data, and my
T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S3 is stock Android, like yours.


It used to be the case that it required data. Now it doesn't, and only
if you download a file (which may or may not be downloaded automatically
-- I don't recall explicitly downloading it, but I travel enough that if
I ever thought I might take my Nexus 7 on a trip, I might have
downloaded it)

it's just a data entry method, it's not app specific. In other words,
from the app's point of view, it's part of the keyboard.


OK. Thanks. Why didn't people just *say* that when I first had
asked? Everyone said you must have data, and, well, I don't have
data, and it works. Oh well, maybe I didn't ask it correctly.


I suspect it was just folks who didn't keep up. I'm an iPhone guy
myself, but I was curious enough to look into it

Anyway ...

The key question was really trying to find out what voice-to-text
needed so that I could figure out whether it will work on an
as-yet-to-be-bought cheap ($100) T-Mobile Android phone.

So, does everyone concur that voice-to-text should work on *any*
Android phone, out of the box from T-Mobile, without a data plan?


Any Android phone with the correct OS version (And I can't find exactly
what version added this feature) but one article indicated it's Jelly
Bean. Not all Android phones, especially cheapo devices, support the
current version.

http://www.voicecontrolapp.com/2013/...lly-available/

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Old May 23rd 13, 07:53 AM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
Fran Jones
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-texttexting!

On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:45:02 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

Any Android phone with the correct OS version (And I can't find exactly
what version added this feature) but one article indicated it's Jelly
Bean. Not all Android phones, especially cheapo devices, support the
current version.
http://www.voicecontrolapp.com/2013/...lly-available/


Ah. You're a genius! Thanks for your patience and kind help!

Now I know that it's called "offline voice recognition"!
Adding "Android" to that search term, I got tons of articles on the topic.

Here's just one:
(So the MMS thing from the T-Mobile guy was just made up by him!)

http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/...ing-Jelly-Bean
6. Offline voice typing (Jelly Bean)
One of the big improvements in Jelly Bean was the ability to let your
phone or tablet convert your speech to text. Phones have done that for a
while now, but it generally meant sending your input over the air, doing
the decoding in the cloud, and showing the result on your device. Android
can now do the text generation itself -- which makes it a speedier process,
and possible even without an Internet connection. Head over to "Language
and Input" in the Settings app, then choose "Download offline speech
recognition" under the "Voice Search" heading. You'll be prompted to
download a language pack for each language you want Android to recognize;
once that's done you'll be able to dictate text even if Google's servers go
down or you've got poor reception.

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Old May 23rd 13, 08:10 AM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
Gordon Burditt[_40_]
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-text texting!

I was simply trying to find out the answer to the question since
I have no intention of getting a data plan - yet - the voice to
text is so very important that it was a godsend that it works
without having a data plan.

In fact, I want to get my wife an Android phone, so that she can
do voice to text ... so I needed to figure out if it was a Samsung
thing or not - since the phone I get for her might be a ZTE Concord
(as she doesn't need the other Android bells and whistles).

BTW, just to be clear, *I* didn't suggest it uses MMS; that is only
what I was told by the T-Mobile store when I asked if my data block
wasn't working. The T-Mobile counterperson said it uses MMS.

But now I'm curious if it will work on another phone, or if it only
works on the Samsung Galaxy S3.

If it doesn't use data, and if it doesn't use MMS, what specific
application is voice-to-text using? (I ask so that I make sure
*that* application runs on whatever phone I buy for my wife.)


If you (the app developer) wishes to do something complicated, like
voice-to-text, (or answering natural-language questions like Siri,
or turn-by-turn driving directions, or taking college exams for you)
you have a choice:

(1) Do it yourself on the user's local device, which probably has
problems with resources (program memory, working memory, processor
speed) and a tradeoff of doing a mediocre job reasonably fast vs.
doing a poor job quickly vs. doing an excellent job way too slowly,
(doing a really excellent job would identify the speaker, too)
or

(2) offload the work to something else ("the cloud"), using whatever
communication methods you have, such as (a) SMS, (b) MMS, (c) a
cellular phone voice channel, (d) internet access to a web site /
cloud server (requires a data plan) or (e) smoke signals from a
flaming battery, or

(3) split the job between (1) and (2).

Apparently *some* voice-to-text applications manage to do voice-to-text
somewhat decently using choice (1). Choice (1) *might* be made
easier on certain phones if there's dedicated hardware to help with
the job, although I tend to doubt it as it drives up the cost and
I don't think much marketing hype is used for that feature.

If you've got digitized speech, and you want text, without hardware
assist the job is essentially a big number-crunching job. Most
any system with enough memory and processor speed can do it. I don't
the Samsung Galaxy S3 is unique in that area (although it may be
a high-end phone.) Oh, yes, voice recognition requires programming
skill also.

My experience is somewhat limited to trying to use voice dialing
on my Blackberry over a Bluetooth headset. If I say numbers, it
does fairly well. If I try to say the name of a contact, it's
pretty awful. Trying to train it with my voice didn't help much.
I'm not sure the Bluetooth is really picking up my voice well.
Maybe I should try it with just the phone, although if I am holding
the phone in my hand, voice dialing is kinda pointless.

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Old May 23rd 13, 08:11 AM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
Fran Jones
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-texttexting!

On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:45:02 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

It used to be the case that it required data. Now it doesn't, and only
if you download a file (which may or may not be downloaded automatically
-- I don't recall explicitly downloading it


This is key information!
No wonder everyone is confused (except you).
Certainly no wonder "I" was confused.

On my Samsung Galaxy S3 without data, these were my settings:

1. Settings-Language and Input-Keyboards and input methods-
Google voice typing-Settings-Automatic

2. Settings-Language and Input-Keyboards and input methods-
Google voice typing- Download offline speech recognition (Installed, 22MB)

3. Settings-Language and Input-Speech-Voice recognizer-Google

4. Settings-Language and Input-Speech-Voice search-
Download offline speech recognition (Installed, 22MB)

Some of these appear redundant - but I think #2 is the key, as you
had suggested.

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Old May 24th 13, 03:37 AM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
Fran Jones
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-texttexting!

On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:41:32 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

Google does a surprisingly good job offline, and an even
better job online, often recognizing entire sentences reliably.


BTW, this morning I changed the voice recognition from Google
to the native Samsung, and, well, the result was so horrid
that I reset it back to Google within a few hours.

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Old May 24th 13, 07:47 AM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
DevilsPGD[_4_]
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-text texting!

In the last episode of , Fran Jones
said:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:41:32 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

Google does a surprisingly good job offline, and an even
better job online, often recognizing entire sentences reliably.


BTW, this morning I changed the voice recognition from Google
to the native Samsung, and, well, the result was so horrid
that I reset it back to Google within a few hours.


Heh. Like I said earlier: "unless the manufacturer takes
steps to avoid having it work (or replaces it with something less
functional)"

--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
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Old June 4th 13, 06:11 PM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
Todd Allcock[_2_]
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-text texting!

At 22 May 2013 16:45:02 -0700 DevilsPGD wrote:
In the last episode of , Fran Jones
said:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:36:06 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote:

It should work on any Android device


OK. I was wondering because everyone at first said it wouldn't
work without data, but it works just fine without data, and my
T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S3 is stock Android, like yours.


It used to be the case that it required data. Now it doesn't, and only
if you download a file (which may or may not be downloaded automatically
-- I don't recall explicitly downloading it, but I travel enough that if
I ever thought I might take my Nexus 7 on a trip, I might have
downloaded it)

it's just a data entry method, it's not app specific. In other words,
from the app's point of view, it's part of the keyboard.


OK. Thanks. Why didn't people just *say* that when I first had
asked? Everyone said you must have data, and, well, I don't have
data, and it works. Oh well, maybe I didn't ask it correctly.


I suspect it was just folks who didn't keep up. I'm an iPhone guy
myself, but I was curious enough to look into it

Anyway ...

The key question was really trying to find out what voice-to-text
needed so that I could figure out whether it will work on an
as-yet-to-be-bought cheap ($100) T-Mobile Android phone.

So, does everyone concur that voice-to-text should work on *any*
Android phone, out of the box from T-Mobile, without a data plan?


Any Android phone with the correct OS version (And I can't find exactly
what version added this feature) but one article indicated it's Jelly
Bean. Not all Android phones, especially cheapo devices, support the
current version.

http://www.voicecontrolapp.com/2013/...ition-finally-

available/




I think it was Jelly Bean- all of my prior Android phones (2.2, 2.3, 4.0)
required data to use voice to text for SMS- only after being corrected in
this thread (earlier I was one of those who confirmed incorrectly data
was required) did I try it on my LG L9 (4.1) and noticed that there was a
setting to download "offline speech recognition" (which on my LG was also
already downloaded- I suspect this is pre-loaded by OEM or carrier- I
certainly didn't do it in the few days I owned the phone at that point.)



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Old June 5th 13, 02:01 AM posted to alt.cellular-phone-tech,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.cellular.t-mobile
DevilsPGD[_4_]
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Default Confirmed: You don't need a data plan for Android voice-to-text texting!

In the last episode of , Todd Allcock
said:

I think it was Jelly Bean- all of my prior Android phones (2.2, 2.3, 4.0)
required data to use voice to text for SMS- only after being corrected in
this thread (earlier I was one of those who confirmed incorrectly data
was required) did I try it on my LG L9 (4.1) and noticed that there was a
setting to download "offline speech recognition" (which on my LG was also
already downloaded- I suspect this is pre-loaded by OEM or carrier- I
certainly didn't do it in the few days I owned the phone at that point.)


I had another independent party tell me he "thinks it's Jelly Bean" that
added offline support, so lets go with that.

I've been playing with Google Chrome's voice recognition on iOS, wow
does it blow Apple's out of the water. It's not even close, it's faster,
gives more results in real time, far more accurate, and it understands
context (I haven't gotten a there/their-type error out of Google yet,
whereas this happens frequently with Siri)

--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
 




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