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Old June 26th 03, 09:28 PM
repatch
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Default Fido Prepaid WAP Access

Well, was wondering if anybody else has tried it. I enabled it on my profile
this morning (took about a minute), and have noticed a few "oddities".

First, it will not load web pages on my personal web server at all, it
always responds with error 403 (which means forbidden). The interesting
thing here is that it never even TRIES to get a page from my webserver
(shown by my logs), so it appears Fido's gateway is holding things back. Has
Fido restricted WAP use to only the sites on it's webpage?

I've tried other cases and it always reports either the website is not
responding (it does on my home machine...) or the website is too large?

Anybody know if NON wap access will work, i.e. can I connect my PDA to the
phone and browse the web through it?

Thanks for any answers. TTYL


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Old June 27th 03, 09:10 AM
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It's WAP only, so no general GPRS access.

Are you hosting and trying to access a regular, HTML web page? Or a WAP
page? If so, in which language?

With WAP you can obviously only access WAP pages, not web pages. Moreover,
the page must be written in WML (which is the most common language). A WAP
page written in HDML won't work. Also, the current limit for the WAP is 3
Kb/page.

If you're trying to access a WAP page that you coded yourself (well, I guess
since you're hosting it) be sure there's no coding error... WML is a lot
less forgiving on syntax errors than HTML. Finally, be sure you web server
carries the correct mime-types for WML pages.



~Deep Blue~

repatch wrote:
Well, was wondering if anybody else has tried it. I enabled it on my
profile this morning (took about a minute), and have noticed a few
"oddities".

First, it will not load web pages on my personal web server at all, it
always responds with error 403 (which means forbidden). The
interesting thing here is that it never even TRIES to get a page from
my webserver (shown by my logs), so it appears Fido's gateway is
holding things back. Has Fido restricted WAP use to only the sites on
it's webpage?

I've tried other cases and it always reports either the website is not
responding (it does on my home machine...) or the website is too
large?

Anybody know if NON wap access will work, i.e. can I connect my PDA
to the phone and browse the web through it?

Thanks for any answers. TTYL




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Old June 27th 03, 04:32 PM
repatch
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"Deep Blue" wrote in message
s.com...
It's WAP only, so no general GPRS access.

Are you hosting and trying to access a regular, HTML web page? Or a WAP
page? If so, in which language?

With WAP you can obviously only access WAP pages, not web pages. Moreover,
the page must be written in WML (which is the most common language). A WAP
page written in HDML won't work. Also, the current limit for the WAP is 3
Kb/page.

If you're trying to access a WAP page that you coded yourself (well, I

guess
since you're hosting it) be sure there's no coding error... WML is a lot
less forgiving on syntax errors than HTML. Finally, be sure you web server
carries the correct mime-types for WML pages.


As I said, no request was ever seen by my web server, Fido was giving me
the "error 403".

I must say i was excited when I first started to try it but with these
limitations it's pretty much useless, if all I can do is go to the links
Fido supplies I certainly won't be using it, a shame.


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Old June 27th 03, 06:51 PM
Deep Blue
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repatch wrote:
As I said, no request was ever seen by my web server, Fido was
giving me the "error 403".

I must say i was excited when I first started to try it but with
these limitations it's pretty much useless, if all I can do is go to
the links Fido supplies I certainly won't be using it, a shame.


You're not restricted to the links given by Fido.

But you didn't answered my question: Are you trying to access a WML or a
HTML page?



~Deep Blue~


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Old June 27th 03, 10:18 PM
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"Deep Blue" wrote in message
s.com...
repatch wrote:
As I said, no request was ever seen by my web server, Fido was
giving me the "error 403".

I must say i was excited when I first started to try it but with
these limitations it's pretty much useless, if all I can do is go to
the links Fido supplies I certainly won't be using it, a shame.


You're not restricted to the links given by Fido.


Then why does every link I've tried either return one of the following:
server timeout, forbidden, no dns, all are sites that work fine on another
machine.

But you didn't answered my question: Are you trying to access a WML or a
HTML page?


Both, according to the emulator from Ericsson both should work. Are you
saying Fido's gateway doesn't do conversion on the fly?


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Old June 28th 03, 08:45 AM
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repatch wrote:
Both, according to the emulator from Ericsson both should work.
Are you saying Fido's gateway doesn't do conversion on the fly?


I never heard about a WAP gateway converting HTML pages into WAP pages.
Especially not "on the fly", it would be quite heavy on a server as the WAP
gateway already compile the WML script into a binary. Do you have any links
on this?

Let's do some basics on WAP.

When you request a page, the request is sent to the WAP gateway. The WAP
gateway gets the WAP page, scripted in WML, compiles it and then send it
back as a ready-to-run, binary format to the mobile phone. Mainly because
mobile phones used to be not powerful enough to compile code on the fly (and
still aren't powerful enough in most cases).

WML is the standard WAP scripting language. It's a kind of mix between HTML
and XML. A very basic WAP page would look like this:

?xml version="1.0"?
!DOCTYPE wml PUBLIC "-//WAPFORUM//DTD WML 1.2//EN"
"http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/wml12.dtd"
wml
card
p
Hello world.
/p
/card
/wml


On your webserver, you need some MIME-types to serve WML content:

# WAP MIME-types for Apache
AddType text/vnd.wap.wml .wml
AddType text/vnd.wap.wmlscript .wmls
AddType image/vnd.wap.wbmp .bmp
AddType application/vnd.wap.wmlc .wmlc
AddType application/vnd.wap.wmlscriptc .wmlsc
# End of WAP MIME-types

If you don't have those, it will never work.

Again, a current limition is 3 kbytes per page. But 3 kbytes of WAP data is
quite big for most WAP applications.

Try some well known WAP sites such as http://wap.howardforums.com/ or
http://esato.com/




~Deep Blue~


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Old June 28th 03, 06:04 PM
R-Guy
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There are many products that do this, here is one ..
http://www.aveaccess.com/modules/wapgateway.htm

"Deep Blue" wrote in message
s.com...
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I never heard about a WAP gateway converting HTML pages into WAP pages.
Especially not "on the fly", it would be quite heavy on a server as the

WAP
gateway already compile the WML script into a binary. Do you have any

links
on this?

cut


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Old June 28th 03, 07:21 PM
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:10:07 GMT, "Deep Blue" wrote:

It's WAP only, so no general GPRS access.


I'm on prepaid as well. How do you enable WAP access on the phone. I
have a T200.
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Old June 28th 03, 07:58 PM
RENOUX Jean François
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Hello,

a écrit dans le message de
...
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:10:07 GMT, "Deep Blue" wrote:

It's WAP only, so no general GPRS access.


I'm on prepaid as well. How do you enable WAP access on the phone. I
have a T200.


Call 611 and ask to enable WAP access for your account.


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Old June 29th 03, 02:35 AM
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"Deep Blue" wrote in message
s.com...
repatch wrote:
On your webserver, you need some MIME-types to serve WML content:


OK, how many more times am I going to have to say this: THE REQUEST
NEVER GETS TO MY WEBSERVER. There, maybe now you see the problem, I have no
opportunity to serve the "right" content, the request is never seen, Fido is
blocking it somewhere.

For the record the Ericsson WAP emulator works fine with ALL the sites
I've tried to visit...


 




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