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Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?



 
 
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Old September 24th 16, 03:15 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
Carlos E.R.
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Default Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't needit?

On 2016-09-24 08:12, tlvp wrote:

Can you *really* bring yourself to trust an app whose developer contrasts
"fine" with "course" (and not the more appropriate "coarse")? What other
more dangerous typos may have found their way into the app's code?


No, it was an spelling error by Horace, not by the application.


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Old September 24th 16, 03:19 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On 2016-09-24 07:42, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:20:22 -0700, AL
wrote:



My map app is My Trails (Pro):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frogsparks.mytrails&hl=en
It wants to use GPS, modify SD card, add|find|use accounts, full
network access, run at startup, prevent phone from sleeping, and
vibrator. I'm not so sure about the accounts stuff, but the rest
doesn't look too horrible.


The accounts is probably because it wants you to register to use it and
save your routes. Some of these apps may offer to share a track with
someone.

The access to the SD card may be to save the track or to save photos you do.

No turn by turn needed or wanted. I rarely listen to instructions
from anyone and certainly don't plan to start doing so with
instructions from a machine. Incidentally, anyone trying to use a GPS
map device to find a usable route to my house is sure to get lost.
There are roads on the maps that don't exist which the mapping
programs never fail to use as the preferred route.


LOL :-)

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Old September 24th 16, 03:24 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On 2016-09-24 08:49, AL wrote:
On 9/23/2016 10:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:



There are roads on the maps that don't exist which the mapping
programs never fail to use as the preferred route.


Yep. More than one tourist here has tried to take his big car cross
country on a tiny dirt road because she said to. Then they get stuck in
the mountains with no cell service. Occasionally in our brutal summers
that turns out to be a fatal mistake.


That's very unfortunate. These apps do not take into account the quality
of the roads and the size/weight of the vehicle. You can learn of the
accidents they cause in the TV some times.

This summer a big lorry got stuck like a cork in a narrow street in a
village. Had to be extracted by a rescue truck pulling at 90 the rear
part. The lorry had been looking for a gas station that in fact was out
of service for years, near the highway but not that near. Chap lost a
day and expenses.

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Old September 24th 16, 04:24 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
Horace Algiers
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 04:57:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Fine location uses both methods. I guess that by having a coarse
location first, and by knowing the timetable of the satellite passes, it
decides what satellites to search for, instead of trying all of them.


It's still confusing, but I think that's because the app I was using only
said "fine" and "coarse" location, but didn't explain the difference:
http://i.cubeupload.com/9Q3VcK.png

I installed the apps which Jeff had suggested, which gave more information:
http://i.cubeupload.com/E0kxDx.png

Each of the apps suggested by Jeff listed apps by location access type,
although each app uses different words to convey the two types, for
example, "precise" versus "approximate":
http://i.cubeupload.com/bxPBw3.png

Namely:
Precise: http://i.cubeupload.com/7Yvp0r.png
Approximate: http://i.cubeupload.com/aE4jZo.png

One of the apps Jeff suggested has a paragraph explanation.

App Permission Watcher by Eric Struse
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...truse.apewatch

Here is what it says (verbatim) for "precise location":
http://i.cubeupload.com/cZbZf1.png

*precise location (GPS and network-based)*
"Allows apps to access your approximate location using *GPS or* location
services based on network sources, such as mobile phone towers and Wi-Fi
APs. When these location services are available and enabled, this
permission allows apps to determine your approximate location.
*This may consume more battery power.*"

Here is what it says (verbatim) for "approximate location":
http://i.cubeupload.com/xavuBD.png
"approximate location (network-based)"
"Allows apps to access your approximate location using [s]GPS or[/s]
location services based on network sources, such as mobile phone towers and
Wi-Fi APs. When these location services are available and enabled, this
permission allows apps to determine your approximate location. [s]This may
consume more battery power.[/s]"

We can presume "precise" means "fine" and that "approximate" means
"coarse".

So, the only difference between those two descriptions is:
a. precise/fine location = GPS, towers, APs (where GPS consumes battery)
b. approximate/coarse location = towers, APs
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Old September 24th 16, 05:31 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:49:56 -0700, AL wrote:

I actually find the Google Maps app to be quite useful. I don't blindly
follow it of course but it's great for comparing routes


I have been using GPS since we put the DeLorme "buttons" on our dashboards
and plugged the wires into our laptop RS232 ports and powered the laptops
with inverters plugged into our cigarette lighter sockets.

I've always thought that following map instructions is like "following a
leader".

a. If you don't know more than the leader does, then follow the leader.

b. But, if you do know more than the leader does, then lead the way
yourself.
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Old September 24th 16, 05:31 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:42:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

No turn by turn needed or wanted. I rarely listen to instructions
from anyone and certainly don't plan to start doing so with
instructions from a machine. Incidentally, anyone trying to use a GPS
map device to find a usable route to my house is sure to get lost.
There are roads on the maps that don't exist which the mapping
programs never fail to use as the preferred route.


Worse, Jeff, is that there are roads by my house, which is near your house,
that I have *personally* requested Google mark as "restricted use".

I really wanted them to mark the paths and roads as "blocked" but Google
doesn't seem to have that designation.

They only have restricted use.

Interestingly, you *never* can *talk* to a Google person by phone. You just
get the runaround for an hour at their hq even. So what you get is a local
*volunteer* who has distinguished himself by a certain number of posts to
the Google Mapping Forum (as far as I can tell).

This distinguished local volunteer is actually reasonable, and he/she
listens to your public arguments, and he/she makes a call on what to
designate the road and he/she then submits that decision to a higher-level
group (presumably of google employees).

Only then do you get a notification of the final action, which, in some
cases they agreed and in others (such as marking the road blocked), they
disagreed. Each time they gave a rationale, which I consider reasonable
(although inaccurate - since the road "is" blocked).

Their rationale is that a locked gate isn't a blockage - it's a
"restriction". Their point is that someone who has the gate code or key can
get past the blockage, so, it's merely a restriction.

In the end, my point is that simply *looking* at an *accurate* map will
sometimes tell you better how to get somewhere than Google directions. In
this case that I had the Google database corrected, if you route to a house
on one of the "restricted use" roads, Google will take you to that house
(because they don't "block" the road).

However, if you route from a point "just outside" the restricted-use roads,
Google will take you roundabout over 30 additional miles since it won't
route using the "restricted use" road unless the destination is "on" the
restricted use roads.

Interesting ...
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Old September 24th 16, 05:31 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:20:22 -0700, AL wrote:

It would still be needed in 5. But not in 6 and above which allow you to
deny permissions in settings, no app required.


Ah. Thanks for confirming that an "app ops" app would still be needed in
Android 5, but not in Android 6.

In my case, location is asked by the map apps,


My Maps app (version 9.36.2) wants access to contacts, location, phone,
and storage. I leave them all off. So far no app complaints for just
bringing up a map. If I want turn by turn directions then I'd of course
need location on.


That makes complete sense to me.

I don't "log in" to any map app, so, they only can get where I am when I
turn on their access to GPS (which I usually leave on).

I feel GPS is *accurate enough* for me when I am mapping, so, I have zero
need for "SSID location" or "cell tower location" which Android seems to
call "coarse" or "approximate" location.

Given that I am never always logged into any account (not even Google
Play!), is there any other app, other than a map app, that *needs* location
access?

NOTE: I realize apps like "waze" and "weather" and "gas buddy" can use
location to your advantage *when you need that* - but does any app *need* a
*constant* 24/7 location access to work for you?

it makes sense that if an app truly
*needs* the location, that it should simply *ask* for the location access
at the time it needs it.


IMO that would be a hassle for people who aren't as paranoid as we are.


I agree that most people might get annoyed when an app *asks* for location
permission - but don't the iOS users live with that exact fact?

Besides, how many apps actually *need* full-time 24/7 location access?
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Old September 24th 16, 05:31 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:15:49 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

No, it was an spelling error by Horace, not by the application.


I would rather plead nolo contendere to the charges, but, in light of the
facts, my plea is mea culpa.
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Old September 24th 16, 06:31 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:45:25 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote:

Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?


No, my Nexus 5X will warn me when an app tries to access it. I can then
choose to either allow or admit. Lots of apps demand lots of permissions
(even when they don't need them), but they don't always use those
permissions.

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Old September 24th 16, 06:58 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On 9/24/2016 9:31 AM, Horace Algiers wrote:

I have been using GPS since we put the DeLorme "buttons" on our dashboards


A Chrysler I had years ago kept the maps on an optical drive under the
drivers seat. It was a proprietary disk of course. Chrysler wanted $125
for an updated disk. I declined.

 




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