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Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?



 
 
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Old September 24th 16, 02:49 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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Default Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't needit?

On 2016-09-24 02:04, Horace Algiers wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:47:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
Yes.
why does the basic *clock* need location access?
Mine doesn't. (clock version 4.5.2)

To change to the local time of the location you are at.


While a clock app *might* need to know the GPS location in order to figure
out what time zone it's in, "my" clock is doing fine without having access
to the GPS location.


It may do fine, but that doesn't mean that the designer of the clock
programmed it that way. As there are location services in the system,
and network time (notice: telephone network, not internet) is not always
accurate, if I were the programmer I would also ask the system for the
current location.


So, um, er ... can't the clock get the time and time zone from the
so-called "network-provided" time and time zone?


Yes, so what? That it can does not mean it does. As I said, if I were
programming for Android I would use anything I have available that I
like. I know that I'm not breaking any privacy, so do it.

Telephone network time is known to be problematic, anyway.

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Old September 24th 16, 02:58 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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Thanks for that input. In my case, location is asked by the map apps, but
not necessarily by the clock app or ES File Explorer, or the WiFi Analyzer.


The WiFi analyzer may need to know what country it is in, because the
law changes, and with it the channels that are available. The
application may thus autoconfigure to only listen in the legal channels
for the current country.

Just one reason it occurred to me.


I'm not sure what that tells me, but it makes sense that if an app truly
*needs* the location, that it should simply *ask* for the location access
at the time it needs it.


Depending on the Android version, permissions are requested at install
time or at runtime.

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Old September 24th 16, 03:00 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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Default Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't needit?

On 2016-09-24 03:42, Horace Algiers wrote:

b. What is the *difference* between "fine location" and "course location"
anyway (with respect to location-access permissions)?


Spelling error? Ie, coarse location?

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Old September 24th 16, 03:41 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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Default Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 04:00:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

b. What is the *difference* between "fine location" and "course location"
anyway (with respect to location-access permissions)?


Spelling error? Ie, coarse location?


Oooooops. Mea culpa. That's a good catch, especially since "course
location" could mean something in and of itself.

App Ops Starter lists it as: "coArse location, fine location".

So, the confusing set of observations a
a. Some apps list just "coarse location"
b. Some apps list just "fine location"
http://i.cubeupload.com/ToXq7e.png
c. Others list both "coarse location, fine location"
http://i.cubeupload.com/8VRmbV.png
d. Yet others list "GPS, coarse location, fine location".
http://i.cubeupload.com/3IqPj1.png

What's the difference between:
A. GPS
B. Coarse location
C. Fine location

Also, why is there a button only for "Location", and, why, sometimes, is
there no button for location even when it asks for any of the above?
SWITCH: http://i.cubeupload.com/07HtCo.png
NOSWITCH: http://i.cubeupload.com/YWzeh7.png

Even worse, some also list in the "location" field:
D. wifi scan
E. cell scan
http://i.cubeupload.com/3IqPj1.png

Does any of this make sense to you (plural you)?
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Old September 24th 16, 03:57 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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Default Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't needit?

On 2016-09-24 04:41, Horace Algiers wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 04:00:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:



What's the difference between:
A. GPS
B. Coarse location
C. Fine location


I don't know the precise or official definition, but I can give you an
educated guess.

GPS uses only the GPS receiver.

Coarse uses only the GSM network and WiFi/IP guessing by google. Ie,
Cell, GeoIP and Wifi location. The error can be kilometres, thus coarse
location. Sometimes it is surprisingly precise. Also called "low battery
mode" or something similar. It is the one I use.

Fine location uses both methods. I guess that by having a coarse
location first, and by knowing the timetable of the satellite passes, it
decides what satellites to search for, instead of trying all of them.



Also, why is there a button only for "Location",


LOL. So that you choose always the preferred method, "fine location".

and, why, sometimes, is
there no button for location even when it asks for any of the above?


Designer choice. What a question!


Even worse, some also list in the "location" field:
D. wifi scan
E. cell scan
http://i.cubeupload.com/3IqPj1.png


Well, it is just an accurate description of what it does. Wifi and Cell
is what together do "coarse location". Again, designer choice to list
them all instead of the switch name.

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Old September 24th 16, 04:20 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On 9/23/2016 5:04 PM, Horace Algiers wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 12:35:54 -0700, AL wrote:


I'm on Android 4.3 which allows App Ops Starter to control permissions.


and that it's not needed in 5.0 and above.


It would still be needed in 5. But not in 6 and above which allow you to
deny permissions in settings, no app required.

In my case, location is asked by the map apps,


My Maps app (version 9.36.2) wants access to contacts, location, phone,
and storage. I leave them all off. So far no app complaints for just
bringing up a map. If I want turn by turn directions then I'd of course
need location on.

it makes sense that if an app truly
*needs* the location, that it should simply *ask* for the location access
at the time it needs it.


IMO that would be a hassle for people who aren't as paranoid as we are.

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Old September 24th 16, 06:42 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:20:22 -0700, AL
wrote:

My Maps app (version 9.36.2) wants access to contacts, location, phone,
and storage. I leave them all off. So far no app complaints for just
bringing up a map. If I want turn by turn directions then I'd of course
need location on.


My map app is My Trails (Pro):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frogsparks.mytrails&hl=en
It wants to use GPS, modify SD card, add|find|use accounts, full
network access, run at startup, prevent phone from sleeping, and
vibrator. I'm not so sure about the accounts stuff, but the rest
doesn't look too horrible.

No turn by turn needed or wanted. I rarely listen to instructions
from anyone and certainly don't plan to start doing so with
instructions from a machine. Incidentally, anyone trying to use a GPS
map device to find a usable route to my house is sure to get lost.
There are roads on the maps that don't exist which the mapping
programs never fail to use as the preferred route.

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Old September 24th 16, 07:12 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 01:42:03 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:03:05 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

There are also apps for managing permissions:
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=permissions%20manager&c=apps&hl=en


That list brings up something that always confused me about App Ops Starter
(com.schurich.android.tools.appopsstarter) reports on "course location,
fine location" as can be seen in "Email" and "Firefox" on the screenshot
below:
http://i.cubeupload.com/di3NN6.png

When I look at Firefox', it has a *switch* to turn off access location:
http://i.cubeupload.com/2uW611.png

But, when I look at Email, it does *not* have that switch:
http://i.cubeupload.com/GhyJRj.png

Can someone explain:
a. Why do both Email & Firefox say "fine location, course location" but
only Firefox can be turned off with App Ops Starter?

b. What is the *difference* between "fine location" and "course location"
anyway (with respect to location-access permissions)?


Can you *really* bring yourself to trust an app whose developer contrasts
"fine" with "course" (and not the more appropriate "coarse")? What other
more dangerous typos may have found their way into the app's code?

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Old September 24th 16, 07:49 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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Default Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't needit?

On 9/23/2016 10:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

No turn by turn needed or wanted. I rarely listen to instructions
from anyone and certainly don't plan to start doing so with
instructions from a machine.


I actually find the Google Maps app to be quite useful. I don't blindly
follow it of course but it's great for comparing routes. Also for
warning about upcoming road changes. And when I miss a turn it
recomputes and still gets me there. Also, telling me which lane to get
in for an upcoming freeway change is helpful. On a recent trip to
Disneyland I took a shorter route than Google suggested. Turns out one
of that route's roads was closed and Google knew it and that's why her
route was longer. I should've listened to her. Cost me an extra hour.

Incidentally, anyone trying to use a GPS
map device to find a usable route to my house is sure to get lost.


Mine too. She always tries to bring visitors in one of our back gates
that won't open for them. That's when I get a call.

There are roads on the maps that don't exist which the mapping
programs never fail to use as the preferred route.


Yep. More than one tourist here has tried to take his big car cross
country on a tiny dirt road because she said to. Then they get stuck in
the mountains with no cell service. Occasionally in our brutal summers
that turns out to be a fatal mistake.


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Old September 24th 16, 10:24 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
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Horace Algiers schrieb am 2016-09-23 um 18:45:

Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?
Why do so very many apps require location access anyway?

For example, *why* does ES File Explorer need location access?
http://i.cubeupload.com/HH2sfG.png

I'm shocked at how many apps "require" location access.

For example, why does the basic *clock* need location access?
http://i.cubeupload.com/mAHrrA.png


Maybe because it includes weather info as well and needs to know for
which region the weather data should be displayed.

It amazes me how many apps "require" location access.

I don't see why a WiFi Analyzer needs location access, do you?
http://i.cubeupload.com/PKxm2Z.png


Because this app also records the location to build WiFi "heatmaps" if
your region:

https://www.acrylicwifi.com/en

Why does the T-Mobile carrier-iq "System Manager Application" need it?
http://i.cubeupload.com/puQjf5.png


Ask T-Mobile - probably to enable/disable services which are only
available in certain regions.

Or the Contacts app, for heaven's sake?
http://i.cubeupload.com/QDEOwe.png


To initiate a navigation from your current location to the address of
the contact.

So my question is only:
Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it?


No.

Why do so very many apps require location access anyway?


See above. And I don't care. If I don't trust an app I would rather not
use it at all instead of just disabling requested access rights.


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