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Which of the 3 "Google & location" services do you allow on your Android device?



 
 
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Old September 21st 16, 06:19 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
Horace Algier
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Default Which of the 3 "Google & location" services do you allow on your Android device?

Upon factory reset, three questions are invariably asked of Android owners:
http://i.cubeupload.com/Yqiw0A.png

The best short summary of the questions I can come up with is:
1. Let all apps contact Google to figure out where you are
2. Let Google apps know where you are.
3. Send Google all your neighbor's Wi-Fi access point information

Specifically:
1. Let apps estimate your location with Google's location service.
Anonymous location data will be collected and sent to Google, and may be
stored on your device. This could occur even when no apps are running.

2. Get more relevant information when using Google apps. GPS and Google's
location service may be accessed, even when you're not using Google apps.

3. To improve location accuracy and for other purposes, let Google's
location service and other apps scan for nearby Wi-Fi networks, even when
Wi-Fi is off.

My question is:
Q: Which of these three location operations do *you* allow - and why?
http://i.cubeupload.com/4H5qiY.png
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Old September 22nd 16, 01:42 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
B00ze
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Default Which of the 3 "Google & location" services do you allow on yourAndroid device?

On 2016-09-21 01:19, Horace Algier wrote:

Upon factory reset, three questions are invariably asked of Android owners:
http://i.cubeupload.com/Yqiw0A.png

The best short summary of the questions I can come up with is:
1. Let all apps contact Google to figure out where you are
2. Let Google apps know where you are.
3. Send Google all your neighbor's Wi-Fi access point information


Funny I was never asked those 3 questions, and I reset my phone a couple
times when I got it.

My question is:
Q: Which of these three location operations do *you* allow - and why?


You have me look and the darn phone was set to use GPS&WiFi; I've
disabled WiFi, left GPS enabled. I can disable location completely but
if I do this simple things like the weather might stop working.

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Old September 22nd 16, 11:43 PM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
Horace Algiers
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Default Which of the 3 "Google & location" services do you allow on your Android device?

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:42:12 -0400, B00ze wrote:

The best short summary of the questions I can come up with is:
1. Let all apps contact Google to figure out where you are
2. Let Google apps know where you are.
3. Send Google all your neighbor's Wi-Fi access point information


Funny I was never asked those 3 questions, and I reset my phone a couple
times when I got it.


I have Android 4.3, and it *always* asks those three questions:
http://i.cubeupload.com/Yqiw0A.png

1.Let apps estimate your location with Google's location service.
Anonymous location data will be collected and sent to Google, and may be
stored on your device. This could occur even when no apps are running.

2. Get more relevant information when using Google apps. GPS and Google's
location service may be accessed, even when you're not using Google apps.

3. To improve location accuracy and for other purposes, let Google's
location service and other apps scan for nearyb Wi-Fi networks, even when
Wi-Fi is off.

I pretty much know exactly what that third item is, which is that all the
SSID/BSSID/SS information from your neighbor's access points are sent to
google (even if they append _nomac to the SSID!).

I'm not sure exactly what the first two actually do.
Do you know for sure *what* the first two items actually do?

You have me look and the darn phone was set to use GPS&WiFi; I've
disabled WiFi, left GPS enabled. I can disable location completely but
if I do this simple things like the weather might stop working.


I think that's the *wrong* way of thinking - and I say that strongly, in a
friendly way.

You can let the *app* have access to your location!
You don't have to let *Google* have access to your location!

Two different things.
To prove that, on Android 4.3, I went to
Settings Accounts Google Location Settings

a. I first saw this, saying "location access is off":
b. Pressing the "Location Access" button brings up this:
c. Clicking "Access to my location" brought up this:

Which asked:
Location consent:
Allow Google's location service to collect anonymous location data.
Some data may be stored on your device.
Collection may occur even when no apps are running.
[Agree] [Disagree]

I hit "Disagree", and what was left were three questions:
[x] Access to my location
[x] Use GPS satellites
[ ] Use wireless networks

Where the details we
[x] Access to my location
Allow apps that have asked your permission to use your location
information.
[x] Use GPS satellites
Allow apps to use GPS to pinpoint your location.
[ ] Use wireless networks
Allow apps to use Google's location service to estimate your location
faster. Anonymous location data will be collected and sent to Google.

The first two options appear to be linked, in that you can't have one
without the other.

Only the third option *requires* you to *accept* the aforemented Google
"Location consent" agreement, where if you press "Disagree", you can't
select the third option above.

In summy, I think you *can* (easily) allow apps access to your location
*without* allowing Google to "collect anonymous location data ... even when
no apps are running".

I may be wrong - so experts are welcome to explain further what is actually
going on here...
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Old September 23rd 16, 02:09 AM posted to comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular,alt.internet.wireless
Horace Algiers
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Default Which of the 3 "Google & location" services do you allow on your Android device?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:43:45 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote:

a. I first saw this, saying "location access is off":
b. Pressing the "Location Access" button brings up this:
c. Clicking "Access to my location" brought up this:


In my haste, I forgot to post the "this" screenshots.
Sorry.
Here they are, belatedly.

1. When you go to Android 4.3 settings, you can select the Google account.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HbWyzt.png

2. In my case, the Google account says that location access is turned off.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HbWyzt.png

3. You *can* turn on just *app* location access and GPS location access
*without* turning on Google location access!
http://i.cubeupload.com/lw1GV8.png

4. But the moment you try to add the wireless-network location access, you
are faced with a Google Accept/Decline popup question:
http://i.cubeupload.com/vSylsF.png

So my recommendation, is to leave all location access off *until* you need
it explicitly, for a specific app:
http://i.cubeupload.com/LlNGUI.png

Only when you *need* an app to have location access, my suggestion is to
turn that location access on (i.e., turn on app access *and* turn on GPS
satellites - but do not turn on Google's location service):
http://i.cubeupload.com/lw1GV8.png

This works even with Google apps such as Google Maps.

Besides, you are *not* being a good citizen if you indiscriminately spy on
all your neighbors, which is what the "Use wireless networks" does, in
effect.

That is, it is supremely impolite for any Android user to have the "Use
Wireless Networks" option turned on.
 




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