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Old July 11th 17, 08:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
Lucifer Morningstar
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 05:39:51 +0000 (UTC), Dan Jenkins
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 22:59:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more).
(1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN


apparently you aren't aware that it's slower than wifi or usb,
otherwise you wouldn't be asking for that.


Thank you for trying to help but please don't try to help if you're going
to completely ignore the original post by suggesting everything I already
know and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original question.


You wrote your question in a confusing manner.

Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question.


You did not mention powerful before.

WiFi is impossible for a PC that is not even on a LAN.


Not so. Wifi is faster and has better range.

USB cable is inconvenient when going from floor to floor.
Same with speaker cables.

Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question.


If you knew the answer why ask?

This question is just asking advice about which powerful Bluetooth hardware
(make and model) people actually use and like best to connect an Android
device to a Windows PC.


As others have said best use Wi-Fi.
  #22  
Old July 11th 17, 08:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:29:29 +0000 (UTC), Dan Jenkins
wrote:

For alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
Poutnik wrote:


It was not obvious from the original post the PC is not on LAN.

I got in my other post an impression
you just do not want/are not allowed to connect your Android to LAN.

A good scenario description helps to prevent irrelevant replies.


I apologize if I didn't make it clear when I said in the original post
"To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN"
that the question was not going to be solved by joining a LAN.

Allow me to clarify that the question is specific to creating a device to
PC network without joining a LAN and without cabling a wire through floors
(either a speaker cable or a USB cable).

I didn't know about the "Ad-Hoc Mode" of a Wi-Fi card so that gives me two
good answers that should work.

Are these my options?
(1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode"
(2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors

Do you know which of these hardware choices goes best through floors?


Where are you going to find a desktop that can go through floors?
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Old July 11th 17, 09:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 03:29:37 -0400, micky
wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 11 Jul 2017 02:43:42 +0000 (UTC), Dan
Jenkins wrote:

Can you get me started on how to connect Android 4.3 to Bluetooth on
Windows 10 because I don't have bluetooth yet.


YOu can get a USB Bluetooth dongle for $2 on Amazon or ebay, including
shipping. I think they were only 1 dollar a few years ago. I bought
two kinds and one worked and one didn't. One came with a mini-CD but
you don't need that with win10.


So easy to use audio streaming over Bluetooth with Windows 10.

How powerful it is, I don't know.


Not enough for the OP. Only goes a few metres. Some Bluetooth goes
much further.

It's half the size of a 3 pennies and plugs into a USB jack.


Hard to find pennies these days.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...d=1&_i pg=200
But I don't know if these fit a PC and I don't have any specs to know if
a card is more powerful than a dongle, or how much.

I looked up how to tell if my Windows 10 desktop has bluetooth and it
doesn't seem to have a bluetooth card based on doing these device tests.


I don't think any deskptops come with bluetooth, unless you have the
thing built to spec, but I could be wrong.

Wikip: Bluetooth is a wireless technology standard for exchanging data
over short distances (using short-wavelength UHF radio waves in the ISM
band from 2.4 to 2.485 GHz. Don't cordless phones use similar freq.
and my 5.8GHzcordless phone transmitter goes from the second floor to
the basement and 80 feet out to the yard.

Class Max. permitted power Typ. range[3]
(mW) dBm) (m)
1 100 20 ~100
2 2.5 4 ~10
3 1 0 ~1
4 0.5 -3 ~0.5

So I guess that means yhou need class 1.

You intend to use a battery powered bluetooth speaker?? And carry it
with you?


http://blog.drivethelife.com/bluetoo...oth-built.html
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-windows-10

So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC.

Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable?
Yes.


I saw that you said this. I don't know why nospam thought you didn't
know this.

Then why do I want bluetooth?

I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more).
(1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN


Back and forth from your phone to the PC? Yeah, it's slow. Why not buy
a used wireless router on ebay. Then you can use MyPhoneExplorer to
transfer files, and even to add contacts, send and receive texts usilng
a full size keyboard and monitor.


The OP said he wanted to transfer very small files.

(2) To play songs from Android onto the more powerful computer speakers


Surely this stays put even while you move, so if you're too far away to
hear it, your bluetooth doesn't have to go that far either. ;-)

Not at all what you asked but I get my music on the PC using the many
channels on RadioMaximus (free) Pandora (free iirc) Tunein (free last I
looked) and I bought wireless speakers. I'll admit that the ones they
sell now are maybe 5 times the price from 5 or 10 years ago, and I
bought mine either surplus or second hand, so I got by cheaply. But I
don't care about stereo and I have a speaker in the bathroom, my
bedroom, the kitchen, and hte workshop/laundry room. And a spare for
outdoors which I haven't used because I just play the radio instead. .

You might still find them used, or you can buy the new version of
wireless speakers.

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Old July 11th 17, 10:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Dne 11.7.2017 v 09:29 Dan Jenkins napsal(a):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 01:02:13 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

Ad hoc WiFi mode might be a possibility. No LAN required.

https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-ad-hoc-and-infrastructure-mode/


Thank you for suggesting a Wi-Fi option because currently there is no
bluetooth or Wi-Fi card in the desktop so either would be an option.
Would either type of hardware satisfy the requirements of transferring
small (megabyte-sized) files and playing songs between Android & Windows?
(1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode"
(2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors

Which do you think would penetrate floors best?


For both, wifi and BT, there are usable USB dongles serving well.
I would go for the wifi one, as it is more universal,
especially if there is change in future to have a wifi router.

Also, wifi penetration is much better then of BT,
that is intended just for very local devices within few meters.

My phone can locate my home wifi router
in the 7th floor in the block of flats, myself standing outside.
Within the block, it is about 2-3 floors below to see it ( more walls ).

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as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.
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Old July 11th 17, 10:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Dne 11.7.2017 v 09:41 Lucifer Morningstar napsal(a):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:46:30 +0200, Poutnik
wrote:

He did. One of obvious ways is accessing LAN via Wifi router,
as it was not in the first post PC is not on LAN.

Helping others is rarely useful
while being confrontative toward other opinions.
Even good advices can be then rejected
because of the way they are presented.


You and the OP are hard to understand due to your
poor command of English.


What particularly ?
I can always learn.


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  #26  
Old July 11th 17, 12:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

Dne 11.7.2017 v 09:29 Dan Jenkins napsal(a):

I apologize if I didn't make it clear when I said in the original post
"To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN"
that the question was not going to be solved by joining a LAN.

Allow me to clarify that the question is specific to creating a device to
PC network without joining a LAN and without cabling a wire through floors
(either a speaker cable or a USB cable).

I didn't know about the "Ad-Hoc Mode" of a Wi-Fi card so that gives me two
good answers that should work.

Are these my options?
(1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode"
(2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors

Do you know which of these hardware choices goes best through floors?


BT is not intended to go through floors.
It is rather for the direct visibility within few meters
for devices about on the same , or the next table in the room.
Even if you were successfull, the signal could be poor
and the transfer,slow even in ideal conditions,
could suffer due unreliability.

Both wifi and LAN cards ( or external adapters )
are just various hardware and software implementations
of a network at hardware and link layer.

For the both is defined the IP network protocal on the network layer.

In the IP configuration of the desktop,
you switch off the automatic DHCP and DNS
and set manually its IP address, e.g. 192.168.0.1.

Then you can set some dedicated folders of the desktop as shared
and use some android application for exchanging the files.


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than he says about the subject.
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Old July 11th 17, 01:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On 11/07/2017 03:43, Dan Jenkins wrote:
Can you get me started on how to connect Android 4.3 to Bluetooth on
Windows 10 because I don't have bluetooth yet.

I looked up how to tell if my Windows 10 desktop has bluetooth and it
doesn't seem to have a bluetooth card based on doing these device tests.
http://blog.drivethelife.com/bluetoo...oth-built.html
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-windows-10


So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC.

Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable?
Yes.

Then why do I want bluetooth?

I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more).
(1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN
(2) To play songs from Android onto the more powerful computer speakers

Since I don't have bluetooth on the desktop, what hardware is best to add?



Bluetooth V2 USB_Dongle
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?LH...gle+V2&_sop=12

http://tinyurl.com/y84meb4x


Bluetooth V4 USB_Dongle (V4is less power hungry).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_o...+V4.0&_sacat=0

http://tinyurl.com/ycfrqpuo


Maybe this is of interest!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wireless-B...1%26rkt%3D1%26

http://tinyurl.com/yd48no8f
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Old July 11th 17, 01:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On 2017-07-11 08:23, nospam wrote:
In article , Dan Jenkins
wrote:

I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more).
(1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN

apparently you aren't aware that it's slower than wifi or usb,
otherwise you wouldn't be asking for that.


Thank you for trying to help but please don't try to help if you're going
to completely ignore the original post by suggesting everything I already
know and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original question.

Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question.


no it isn't.


It would be if such a thing existed :-p


WiFi is impossible for a PC that is not even on a LAN.


yes it is, and since it's in your house, why wouldn't it be on a lan?


Because there is no LAN in the house? :-)

Always jumping to the kill, aren't you?

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Old July 11th 17, 01:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
Carlos E.R.[_2_]
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On 2017-07-11 08:23, nospam wrote:
In article , Poutnik
wrote:

So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC.

Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable?
Yes.

Then why do I want bluetooth?

I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more).
(1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN

apparently you aren't aware that it's slower than wifi or usb,
otherwise you wouldn't be asking for that.


He was not asking for that..


he asked about file transfer. bluetooth is much too slow for file
transfer. wifi is several orders of magnitude faster.


He is aware of that. In the first post he said so.

He can have a legitimate reason why not to connect to a LAN.


i didn't say anything about connecting to lan.


Yes, you did, on another post:

WiFi is impossible for a PC that is not even on a LAN.


yes it is, and since it's in your house, why wouldn't it be on a lan?

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Old July 11th 17, 01:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
Carlos E.R.[_2_]
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Default Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On 2017-07-11 04:43, Dan Jenkins wrote:
Can you get me started on how to connect Android 4.3 to Bluetooth on
Windows 10 because I don't have bluetooth yet.

I looked up how to tell if my Windows 10 desktop has bluetooth and it
doesn't seem to have a bluetooth card based on doing these device tests.
http://blog.drivethelife.com/bluetoo...oth-built.html
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-windows-10


So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC.

Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable?
Yes.

Then why do I want bluetooth?

I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more).
(1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN
(2) To play songs from Android onto the more powerful computer speakers

Since I don't have bluetooth on the desktop, what hardware is best to add?


Unfortunately for you, there is no such thing as "powerful bluetooth"
hardware. Even if you find it, you need the phone transmitter to be
powerful, and I'm 99% sure it will not be.

BT comes as fingernail sized dongles that you plug to an USB port. I got
a few, at about 1 or 2 euros, and worked plug and play.

Similarly, there are WiFi dongles of the same size, but I have not been
lucky with them. Even so, they are cheap, so you can try your luck with one.

You need WiFi. Peer to peer, adhoc... or add a WiFi router to your home.

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