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  #121  
Old July 12th 17, 06:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
Char Jackson
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 00:46:56 -0400, nospam
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In article , Char Jackson
wrote:


https://developer.android.com/preview/features/wifi-aware.html

Totally unnecessary as wi-fi already implements ad-hoc.

it's not ad hoc and is *way* easier than ad hoc can ever hope to be. ad
hoc is a pain in the ass.


Yes, so you keep saying. I wonder what you found so painful or difficult
about it. I always considered it to be very straightforward.


because one tap will automatically set up the link, transfer the
file(s) and then tear down the link, while both devices remain
connected to the existing wifi network and ongoing downloads or
whatever continue without interruption.

it doesn't get any easier than that.


I didn't ask if there was an easier way.

But I give up. I don't think there's a straight answer to be had here.

  #122  
Old July 12th 17, 06:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 00:46:57 -0400, nospam
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In article , Char Jackson
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Or maybe his computer connects directly to an Internet modem and
there is no WiFi AP.

highly unlikely since broadband modems have wifi built in.

Not all.
Broadband routers do have WiFi almost always.

that's what i said.

Modems, which connect to a single computer, do not.

modems are obsolete.

That will come as a great surprise to the modem manufacturers and the
millions of people who currently use them to get Internet access via
cable or DSL. What took their place?

what part of 'modems, which connect to a single computer' is not clear?


All parts. Cable modems and DSL modems still mostly have a single RJ-45
Ethernet port on the LAN side. Combo units obviously include a router,
an access point, and a switch, so they have more LAN ports, but the
majority of cable/DSL modems have a single port which, if desired, can
be connected to a single computer.


*very* few people have only one device, so if there is only one port,
it'll be connected to a switch or a wifi router.


Unless the ISP provides more than one IP address, which would seem to be
unusual these days, you won't get anywhere connecting to a switch.

that clearly means old obsolete dial-up modems, *not* broadband,
particularly since he singled out broadband one line prior.


Oh, ok, you meant dial-up modems, which also aren't obsolete since in
many parts of the USA they are all that's available. It's pretty hard to
claim something is obsolete when it's the only game in town.
Fortunately, not my town and presumably not yours, but the country is
bigger than our two towns.


the technology is obsolete, regardless of how many people use it.


Yeah, I saw you make the same claim in another post. If you hear
something twice, it must be true.

not only that, but broadband modems aren't actually modems. they're
network bridges/routers.


Actually, they are closer to bridges, (not routers),


some are both.


No, but that's ok.

but you know
perfectly well that they are universally referred to as modems.


true, but it's technically wrong.


Thanks, I know how hard that was.

  #123  
Old July 12th 17, 07:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 00:46:55 -0400, nospam
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In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

I get 25 Mbit/s out of WiFi in a busy apartment building, so the speed
is the comparable.

only because you're using an obsolete 802.11g wifi router, and/or
something is *horribly* misconfigured.

don't assume that your super-****ty wifi is how it is for everyone else.

i get roughly gigabit speeds over wifi (just under 900 mbit).

That's with your "under $20" WiFi router? What's the make and model
number? I may want one for myself.

i didn't say mine was under $20.

i said an 802.11n router could be had for under $20, especially for
someone who has to beg for money to pay for it, and that's going to be
an order of magnitude faster.


I'm sorry, but I still don't see a make and model there. Not for the
"under $20" router, and not for whatever you were bragging about.


there's this thing called google, perhaps you've heard of it.

it turns out 802.11n routers are actually much cheaper than i thought,
as little as $10, most of which are well known brands. $10 is cheap
enough that if stops working in 6 months, toss it and buy another.

here's just a small sample of the *many* hits:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/4..._Wireless_Rout
er
http://www.microcenter.com/product/468303/F3_N300_Wireless_Router
http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...bps_Wireless_N
_Home_Router
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0E6-002T-00001R
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156466
https://www.amazon.com/ZyXEL-NBG416n...nna/dp/B004UBW
3SW/
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F9K100...r/dp/B00QVJ0PD
Q/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FWYGJS/

802.11ac are as low as $30, unless you wait for the $20 deal to come
around again.
https://dealnews.com/Refurb-Linksys-...Router-for-20-
free-shipping/2014688.html
http://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-EA6400-RM/
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833555073


That's a nice collection of unknown brands (Tenda?) and refurbs, but to
be fair you didn't claim there'd be any jewels in the bunch. Your 900
megabit wonder is still a mystery, but I'm ready to move on. Thanks for
the discussion.

  #124  
Old July 12th 17, 07:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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In article , ,
Lucifer Morningstar says...

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:16:15 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

In article ,
,
Dan Jenkins says...

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 22:59:43 -0400, nospam wrote:

I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more).
(1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN

apparently you aren't aware that it's slower than wifi or usb,
otherwise you wouldn't be asking for that.

Thank you for trying to help but please don't try to help if you're going
to completely ignore the original post by suggesting everything I already
know and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original question.

Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question.

WiFi is impossible for a PC that is not even on a LAN.
USB cable is inconvenient when going from floor to floor.
Same with speaker cables.

Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question.

This question is just asking advice about which powerful Bluetooth hardware
(make and model) people actually use and like best to connect an Android
device to a Windows PC.


You would still be better, IMO, to use WiFi. It's so much faster, and
probably cheap as chips to purchase a WiFi USB stick vs Bluetooth (OK,
maybe about the same $).

And just do peer-to-peer - phone to PC - on WiFi. *Much* faster - than
Bluetooth.


Bluetooth is very slow at 1 Mb/s but is adequate for small files.


You're talking to the wrong person. It's the OP's files. I haven't
seen him mention they're all small files.
His post indicates it might be music files.
I wouldn't call them small (for Bluetooth transfer). Indeed they'd
likely take minutes - each. On WiFi, a handful of seconds.

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  #125  
Old July 12th 17, 07:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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Dne 12/07/2017 v 08:21 Dave Doe napsal(a):

You're talking to the wrong person. It's the OP's files. I haven't
seen him mention they're all small files.
His post indicates it might be music files.
I wouldn't call them small (for Bluetooth transfer). Indeed they'd
likely take minutes - each. On WiFi, a handful of seconds.

It may not matter what of mentioned new hardware BT specifications
the OP may use on the PC side.

The flows are as strong as their bottlenecks allow.

I highly doubt the Android side
would provide BT usable for serious file transport.

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as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.
  #126  
Old July 12th 17, 08:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
tlvp[_2_]
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:06:29 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

it's not ad hoc and is *way* easier than ad hoc can ever hope to be. ad
hoc is a pain in the ass.


Like pushing a shift key sometimes?


Yup. Obviously. For asterisks :-) . (And other such.) Cheers, -- tlvp
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  #127  
Old July 12th 17, 08:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 15:53:59 -0400, nospam wrote:

since this person claims to have a phone and a desktop computer *and*
is on the internet (given that he trolls the newsgroups), he has a lan.

but perhaps there's a reason. that's why i want to know why.


My guess: "is on the internet" via dial-up modem. No LAN. OK?
No French fries or vinegar, either :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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  #128  
Old July 12th 17, 08:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC), Dan Jenkins wrote:

* It will penetrate better than BT for both streaming & file transfer


It may well "penetrate better" ... but don't expect it to penetrate *well*.

Where I live the house's primary wi-fi junction is on the 2nd floor right
over the 1st floor living room. A laptop in that 2nd floor room displays
full 5 of 5 bars Signal Quality (SQ). Same laptop in the adjacent bedroom
displays 4 of those 5 bars SQ. Same laptop in the ground floor room (a
living room (LR)) right under that bedroom shows SQ of only 3 of 5 bars.
Same laptop in its most customary position, atop a bookshelf in a kitchen
adjacent to that LR, is lucky to manage 2 bars of SQ, often manages only 1,
and (alas!) "retrains" frequently (by that I mean: drops the connection
entirely for 5 to 300 seconds, only then to pick it up again, as if it were
a new connection).

So: maintain realistic expectations :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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  #129  
Old July 12th 17, 08:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

I'm sorry, but I still don't see a make and model there. Not for the
"under $20" router, and not for whatever you were bragging about.


there's this thing called google, perhaps you've heard of it.

it turns out 802.11n routers are actually much cheaper than i thought,
as little as $10, most of which are well known brands. $10 is cheap
enough that if stops working in 6 months, toss it and buy another.

here's just a small sample of the *many* hits:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/4..._Wireless_Rout
er
http://www.microcenter.com/product/468303/F3_N300_Wireless_Router
http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...bps_Wireless_N
_Home_Router
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0E6-002T-00001R
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156466
https://www.amazon.com/ZyXEL-NBG416n...nna/dp/B004UBW
3SW/
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F9K100...r/dp/B00QVJ0PD
Q/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FWYGJS/

802.11ac are as low as $30, unless you wait for the $20 deal to come
around again.
https://dealnews.com/Refurb-Linksys-...Router-for-20-
free-shipping/2014688.html
http://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-EA6400-RM/
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833555073


That's a nice collection of unknown brands (Tenda?) and refurbs, but to
be fair you didn't claim there'd be any jewels in the bunch.


all i said was there are 802.11n routers for under $20, and there are.

they use the same chipsets internally, so it doesn't actually matter
what the name is and there's nothing wrong with a refurb either.

and as i said, for $10, who cares how good it is. if it works for 6
months, you're already ahead. heck, if it works for a week, it's paid
for itself in the time it saved.

Your 900
megabit wonder is still a mystery, but I'm ready to move on. Thanks for
the discussion.


no mystery about it. most ac wifi routers can do gigabit speeds. mine
is an asus 68u. wave 2 will be even faster.

the cheaper ac routers might not, but they're still going to be faster
than n.

the bottleneck is that the switches and computers are mostly gig-e but
that'll change soon.
  #130  
Old July 12th 17, 08:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
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In article , tlvp
wrote:

since this person claims to have a phone and a desktop computer *and*
is on the internet (given that he trolls the newsgroups), he has a lan.

but perhaps there's a reason. that's why i want to know why.


My guess: "is on the internet" via dial-up modem. No LAN. OK?


a dial-up modem doesn't preclude having a lan.

some early wifi routers had either a built in modem or a serial port to
connect to one.
 




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